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Post by dmo on Feb 22, 2020 15:42:26 GMT -6
Finally getting around to hooking up outboard and noticed that the meter isn't lit - is this normal? Unit otherwise working and sounds great, but a little hard to see the meter from the board. Thanks!
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Post by drbill on Feb 22, 2020 16:02:29 GMT -6
Mines not lit either. Wish it was....
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Post by dmo on Feb 22, 2020 16:06:20 GMT -6
thanks - thought it might not be, wanted to verify. Appreciate the quick reply
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2020 19:21:25 GMT -6
Finally getting around to hooking up outboard and noticed that the meter isn't lit - is this normal? Unit otherwise working and sounds great, but a little hard to see the meter from the board. Thanks! Sta-level isn’t lit either |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 22, 2020 20:22:56 GMT -6
I’m more than happy to not have backlit meters as apposed to Uber bright Ones on certain gear. It can get really distracting especially if you work in a dimly lit room (which I personally like).
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 23, 2020 8:53:17 GMT -6
I’m more than happy to not have backlit meters as apposed to Uber bright Ones on certain gear. It can get really distracting especially if you work in a dimly lit room (which I personally like). I want to murder the blinking master light on my Convert 2 |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 23, 2020 9:59:43 GMT -6
I’m more than happy to not have backlit meters as apposed to Uber bright Ones on certain gear. It can get really distracting especially if you work in a dimly lit room (which I personally like). I want to murder the blinking master light on my Convert 2 That’s how I feel about the threshold blinking light on the dbx160. I slap a piece of black gaff on top of it. |
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Post by Ward on Feb 23, 2020 10:36:20 GMT -6
Ummm yeah, but have you heard it yet? Seems like wasting tubes to turn is on and leave it running for 3.5 hours, but wow, is it ever worth it.
The best damned audio maple syrup there has ever been.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 23, 2020 12:10:37 GMT -6
Well, to be fair...it’s a clone...the audio syrup has been here since the 50s. This is an excellent version of it.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 23, 2020 16:58:26 GMT -6
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Post by audioscape on Feb 24, 2020 16:53:21 GMT -6
Ummm yeah, but have you heard it yet? Seems like wasting tubes to turn is on and leave it running for 3.5 hours, but wow, is it ever worth it. The best damned audio maple syrup there has ever been.   You all rock!!! Meter is not backlit for several reasons - the biggest one being that this particular meter is an absolute nightmare to "retro-fit" with LED's or Bulbs... which is why you don't see anyone doing it unless they DIY it but never fear, your V is totally fine as already mentioned! ;-) To what Ward is referring to.... yes, leaving the V on for 3-4 hours puts it in what we like to call "Goldilocks Zone" where it sounds just.... absolutely mental. Does it sound great shortly after turning it on? Absolutely. Is it EVEN BETTER after the 3 hour mark? YES, but it's a subtle thing and extremely hard to quantify in words ;-) YMMV, as always! <3 |
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Post by wiz on Feb 24, 2020 17:48:40 GMT -6
Ummm yeah, but have you heard it yet? Seems like wasting tubes to turn is on and leave it running for 3.5 hours, but wow, is it ever worth it. The best damned audio maple syrup there has ever been. You all rock!!! Meter is not backlit for several reasons - the biggest one being that this particular meter is an absolute nightmare to "retro-fit" with LED's or Bulbs... which is why you don't see anyone doing it unless they DIY it but never fear, your V is totally fine as already mentioned! ;-) To what Ward is referring to.... yes, leaving the V on for 3-4 hours puts it in what we like to call "Goldilocks Zone" where it sounds just.... absolutely mental. Does it sound great shortly after turning it on? Absolutely. Is it EVEN BETTER after the 3 hour mark? YES, but it's a subtle thing and extremely hard to quantify in words ;-) YMMV, as always! <3 ever worked out why after 3-4 hours, vs say 1 hour? |
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Post by dmo on Feb 24, 2020 19:02:44 GMT -6
Ward - assume this was directed to me (sorry for the late reply, worked a shift yesterday and rarely get any free time to check online). So far only on bass but you are correct - really sounds great. Using some old band tracks that were recorded live for a video shoot (not really well recorded) to play with routing, etc of board as I still had copies of the raw tracks - so am playing around remixing and more with outboard processing. Have a lot of exploration to do before I can probably truly appreciate the V-comp more but just initially patching it in really made a difference in weight and character on the bass track. Going to fun 
Chris - not meant as a negative, was simply curious if might have had a bulb issue after shipping. I am very happy with my AS gear so far and plan to add some more once I get settled in with the board.
As always - very appreciative of all the insight, information sharing and support available on this site.
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Post by audioscape on Feb 26, 2020 7:45:45 GMT -6
Ward - assume this was directed to me (sorry for the late reply, worked a shift yesterday and rarely get any free time to check online). So far only on bass but you are correct - really sounds great. Using some old band tracks that were recorded live for a video shoot (not really well recorded) to play with routing, etc of board as I still had copies of the raw tracks - so am playing around remixing and more with outboard processing. Have a lot of exploration to do before I can probably truly appreciate the V-comp more but just initially patching it in really made a difference in weight and character on the bass track. Going to fun
Chris - not meant as a negative, was simply curious if might have had a bulb issue after shipping. I am very happy with my AS gear so far and plan to add some more once I get settled in with the board.
As always - very appreciative of all the insight, information sharing and support available on this site.
Absolutely man! Didn't mean for my response to come off "weird" either, hahaha... it's a valid question that we get every so often! No worries there ;-) Thanks so much for the kind words!!! As for WHY the V sounds slightly different after 3-4 hours vs. 1 - we can only chalk that up to how the tubes themselves heat up, and as a result, heat up certain components around them, some of which may be more susceptible to heat as it affects their tolerance / values, especially the old Allen Bradley Carbon Comps... something kind of "magical" happens but it's the result of many small things happening and subtly changing within the unit that actually changes the sound. Again, YMMV... we're not recommending everyone do this 3-4 hour Goldilocks Zone thing (although I did discover it as it pertains to the V-COMP and started talking about it shortly afterwards, lol) but to those who have a V... give it a shot and please let us know your thoughts! Again, it is fairly subtle and hard to quantify... but a pretty neat little thing all in all |
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Post by theglow on Feb 26, 2020 8:02:56 GMT -6
Goldilocks Zone with the V Comp is a very real thing!
I book two 4-hour blocks every day, with a two hour break in between. The V Comp gets turned on right at the start of the first session, and I track through it right away with no worries... It sounds great within minutes, HOWEVER it most certainly sounds better when I return to the studio for the second block, having left it on the entire time (now 6 hours). This is something two of my clients have even noticed, continuing to track with the same setup before and after the break. Both times they were like “whoa, this sounds AMAZING... what’s different?” In these cases vocals, and to a more noticeable degree SAXOPHONE sounded smoother and bigger during the second block, enough so that I tend to put off recording crucial parts until the evening session whenever possible.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2020 12:37:16 GMT -6
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Post by audioscape on Feb 26, 2020 18:13:30 GMT -6
Goldilocks Zone with the V Comp is a very real thing! I book two 4-hour blocks every day, with a two hour break in between. The V Comp gets turned on right at the start of the first session, and I track through it right away with no worries... It sounds great within minutes, HOWEVER it most certainly sounds better when I return to the studio for the second block, having left it on the entire time (now 6 hours). This is something two of my clients have even noticed, continuing to track with the same setup before and after the break. Both times they were like “whoa, this sounds AMAZING... what’s different?” In these cases vocals, and to a more noticeable degree SAXOPHONE sounded smoother and bigger during the second block, enough so that I tend to put off recording crucial parts until the evening session whenever possible. WOW! That's AMAZING that your CLIENT's were able to hear it as well! Damn.... hahaha In my PERSONAL opinion it's a VERY real thing and is NOT subtle but we also understand that to some, it would be a bit too subtle to warrant the extra tube wear / electricity... hahaha - being real I'll say this: TOTALLY. WORTH IT. <3 <3 <3 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2020 18:17:44 GMT -6
Well could be put on a timer then, start 2 hours before first session ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 26, 2020 21:18:47 GMT -6
Maybe it's just breaking in and will soon settle on the amazing sound you're hearing permanently.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 26, 2020 21:23:19 GMT -6
In general, our tube gear never got turned off. Gates SA-39b, Ba-6a, Pultecs, la-2a’s, V series preamps. Always on. Granted I wasn’t paying the bills but I was told by the tech to not turn it off. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Chad on Feb 26, 2020 22:56:15 GMT -6
Goldilocks Zone with the V Comp is a very real thing! I book two 4-hour blocks every day, with a two hour break in between. The V Comp gets turned on right at the start of the first session, and I track through it right away with no worries... It sounds great within minutes, HOWEVER it most certainly sounds better when I return to the studio for the second block, having left it on the entire time (now 6 hours). This is something two of my clients have even noticed, continuing to track with the same setup before and after the break. Both times they were like “whoa, this sounds AMAZING... what’s different?” In these cases vocals, and to a more noticeable degree SAXOPHONE sounded smoother and bigger during the second block, enough so that I tend to put off recording crucial parts until the evening session whenever possible. WOW! That's AMAZING that your CLIENT's were able to hear it as well! Damn.... hahaha In my PERSONAL opinion it's a VERY real thing and is NOT subtle but we also understand that to some, it would be a bit too subtle to warrant the extra tube wear / electricity... hahaha - being real I'll say this: TOTALLY. WORTH IT. <3 <3 <3 ^^^ I have to agree with Charlie at AudioScape... In fact he's the one that told me about warming up a Sta Level for a minimum of 3 hours to get it in its "sweet spot". (Thanks, Charlie!) I was skeptical, but then I tried it (with my Retro Instruments Sta Level). And... He was right. It sounded more smooth, and something about it just sounded more pleasing to my ears. Things sounded more "full" and "balanced" top to bottom, for lack of a better description. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 27, 2020 7:36:45 GMT -6
I gotta say I made the mistake of trying out the V Comp at jtc111‘s place the other day. It didn’t work on everything we tried it on. The Opto worked much better on my wife’s voice, but on my voice, on an operatic song, the combination of my FleA49 into my Dan Alexander 1272 and then into the V Comp gave my voice that old, bigger than life, Mario Lanza quality. I can’t get that damn sound out of my head and that wasn’t even the discussed Goldilocks zone. That was just turning it on. Bravo audioscape. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 27, 2020 23:13:27 GMT -6
WOW! That's AMAZING that your CLIENT's were able to hear it as well! Damn.... hahaha In my PERSONAL opinion it's a VERY real thing and is NOT subtle but we also understand that to some, it would be a bit too subtle to warrant the extra tube wear / electricity... hahaha - being real I'll say this: TOTALLY. WORTH IT. <3 <3 <3 ^^^ I have to agree with Charlie at AudioScape... In fact he's the one that told me about warming up a Sta Level for a minimum of 3 hours to get it in its "sweet spot". (Thanks, Charlie!) I was skeptical, but then I tried it (with my Retro Instruments Sta Level). And... He was right. It sounded more smooth, and something about it just sounded more pleasing to my ears. Things sounded more "full" and "balanced" top to bottom, for lack of a better description. Warming up is one of the total joys of hardware that... I enjoy. Can't wait for the first plug-in vendor to state "emulates three hours of warm-up time"... |
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Post by Ward on Feb 28, 2020 6:24:02 GMT -6
Warming up is one of the total joys of hardware that... I enjoy. Can't wait for the first plug-in vendor to state "emulates three hours of warm-up time"... [/quote] LMAO!! |
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Post by swafford on Feb 28, 2020 7:15:38 GMT -6
^^^ I have to agree with Charlie at AudioScape... In fact he's the one that told me about warming up a Sta Level for a minimum of 3 hours to get it in its "sweet spot". (Thanks, Charlie!) I was skeptical, but then I tried it (with my Retro Instruments Sta Level). And... He was right. It sounded more smooth, and something about it just sounded more pleasing to my ears. Things sounded more "full" and "balanced" top to bottom, for lack of a better description. Warming up is one of the total joys of hardware that... I enjoy. Can't wait for the first plug-in vendor to state "emulates three hours of warm-up time"... An animated switch that gives you the choice of "just turned on" "15 minute warm up" and "3 hour warm up." |
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You all rock!!!
