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Post by theshea on Jan 29, 2020 6:13:07 GMT -6
when you want your lead vocal present, natural and dry ... but not dry-dry. like one inch before the speaker, you reach for a bit of ambience reverb, right?
so any tips for choosing the right one? plugin? preset? settings?
i mostly battle with logic spacedesigner, valhalla room and the little softube tsar but am not too satisfied.
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Post by theglow on Jan 29, 2020 6:56:15 GMT -6
I generally use a delay for this. 67ms, no feedback, blended in very low. Gives the effect of ambience while maintaining a tight /dry sound overall. If I had to use a reverb it would actually be the “ambience” setting on PSP EasyVerb, with the treble knob turned all the way down, and mix somewhere between 1-5% (as an insert).
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jan 29, 2020 7:44:53 GMT -6
Phoenixverb is the most "feel-not-hear" reverb I found.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 29, 2020 8:50:45 GMT -6
Ambience presets on Bricasti M7 or Liquidsonics 7th Heaven.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 29, 2020 9:00:45 GMT -6
Try a plate with short decay to taste and some pre delay
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 9:17:23 GMT -6
The Valhalla Room plugin it pretty good at this. I usually use a subtle slap delay with a lot of low-pass filtering and just keep it low so the "bounce" isn't too obvious. Sometimes that into a room type verb.
I'll 2nd john's recommendation too.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jan 29, 2020 9:33:52 GMT -6
Delay for that.
Or automate a reverb a lot.
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Post by MorEQsThanAnswers on Jan 29, 2020 10:35:07 GMT -6
Idk if the hip-hop perspective is very applicable to you, but my job is usually to put you “nose to nose” with the vocals so here’s my take...
Doublers, ping pong delays, and slap echos tend to be the move. A LOT of top level hip-hop mixers are abandoning vocal reverb altogether. It used to be tough to rationalize leaving a vocal dry, but it’s actually getting trendier and I’ve had to come to reality with what my ears are telling me.
When the emotion of the mix calls for reverb, an unrealistic amount of predelay (100+ ms) can help give the effect proper context. Sometimes I’ll ride some verb in for the hook only so that the dimensionality of the song expands for that section. Helps create contrast when the arrangement itself lacks it
(happens a lot in this genre).
Of course, this won’t work for all genres but food for thought ehh!
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Post by theshea on Jan 29, 2020 11:49:21 GMT -6
The Valhalla Room plugin it pretty good at this. I usually use a subtle slap delay with a lot of low-pass filtering and just keep it low so the "bounce" isn't too obvious. Sometimes that into a room type verb. I'll 2nd john's recommendation too. do you use a preset as a starting point when using valhalla? most of the time, when turning the knobs on the right within valhalla room i can't hear a difference ... thanks for the short delay hint! that will do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 12:23:50 GMT -6
The Valhalla Room plugin it pretty good at this. I usually use a subtle slap delay with a lot of low-pass filtering and just keep it low so the "bounce" isn't too obvious. Sometimes that into a room type verb. I'll 2nd john's recommendation too. do you use a preset as a starting point when using valhalla? most of the time, when turning the knobs on the right within valhalla room i can't hear a difference ... thanks for the short delay hint! that will do. Huh, that's odd. I definitely hear things change with the Valhalla parameters. I don't use presets really, beyond just picking which algorithm I like best (usually one of the chambers lately). |
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Post by theshea on Jan 29, 2020 13:04:18 GMT -6
do you use a preset as a starting point when using valhalla? most of the time, when turning the knobs on the right within valhalla room i can't hear a difference ... thanks for the short delay hint! that will do. Huh, that's odd. I definitely hear things change with the Valhalla parameters. I don't use presets really, beyond just picking which algorithm I like best (usually one of the chambers lately). well yeah, i do hear difference but i can't tell if its better sounding, mainly just different. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 29, 2020 21:48:44 GMT -6
Ambience presets on Bricasti M7 or Liquidsonics 7th Heaven. Bricasti. +1. |
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Post by theshea on Jan 30, 2020 2:14:59 GMT -6
are you reducing often stereo width on ambience?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:25:53 GMT -6
are you reducing often stereo width on ambience? Sometimes. ha. It depends. If I'm mixing a metal record where everything is fighting for space always, I tend to go more mono with vocal effects. If it's more sparse and chill, I'll expand more. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Jan 31, 2020 8:52:18 GMT -6
The Bricasti has some great ambiance presets (and of course you can tweak them to taste). There have been times where I've used them and thought it wasn't much of a difference until I bypassed it. Then by comparison it sounded like the original source just collapsed or had all the life sucked out of it. It's subtle, but amazing. The kind of thing you really notice when you bypass it, if that makes any sense. I'd love to have a 2nd M7 just for ambiance settings.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 2, 2020 7:51:32 GMT -6
I’ll often use one of the real studio rooms in Altiverb and blend just a touch in, 13% or less. Sometimes I do that on a vocal in mono to give the vocal a sense of space before even adding a regular reverb.
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Post by Ward on Feb 2, 2020 10:52:18 GMT -6
These are all great suggestions . . . might I make a different one?
Track with more distance between the microphone and the mouth. elbox length at closest but usually about an arm's length away . . . and in a room that has 28 square feet of floor space and 8' of ceiling. and is heavily diffused and fairly dead. NO early reflection zing or ping, please.
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Post by theshea on Feb 3, 2020 11:02:58 GMT -6
These are all great suggestions . . . might I make a different one? Track with more distance between the microphone and the mouth. elbox length at closest but usually about an arm's length away . . . and in a room that has 28 square feet of floor space and 8' of ceiling. and is heavily diffused and fairly dead. NO early reflection zing or ping, please. that obviously would be the perfect situation 'cause with ambience we are trying to simulate just that. but not possible in my room. my room is small and very dry. therefore i have to reach for ambience reverb. |
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 3, 2020 21:00:51 GMT -6
I really like the Cooper time cube for this. Spreads the vocal out a bit as well as setting it in the track a little better.
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