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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2014 18:08:53 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2014 18:34:13 GMT -6
Most modern small woofers have heavy cones. The auratones have very light paper cones which are more akin to guitar speakers than woofers. The magic of the auratone is mostly the light cone and secondly the lack of crossover. Those woofer choices listed on the page all have fairly heavy cones, as they are meant to be used in modern multi-speaker setups. They might have the midrange-y sound of auratones, but I'd bet they'd pale in comparison when looking at impulse response and therefore detail reproduction, which the auratones are painfully good at..
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Post by jazznoise on Mar 17, 2014 18:48:40 GMT -6
Most modern small woofers have heavy cones. The auratones have very light paper cones which are more akin to guitar speakers than woofers. The magic of the auratone is mostly the light cone and secondly the lack of crossover. Those woofer choices listed on the page all have fairly heavy cones, as they are meant to be used in modern multi-speaker setups. They might have the midrange-y sound of auratones, but I'd bet they'd pale in comparison when looking at impulse response and therefore detail reproduction, which the auratones are painfully good at.. Which is why few to none of the audio monitor manufacturers out there give waterfall plots. That low end ringing is something they'd rather just ignore! |
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2014 19:01:53 GMT -6
Most modern small woofers have heavy cones. The auratones have very light paper cones which are more akin to guitar speakers than woofers. The magic of the auratone is mostly the light cone and secondly the lack of crossover. Those woofer choices listed on the page all have fairly heavy cones, as they are meant to be used in modern multi-speaker setups. They might have the midrange-y sound of auratones, but I'd bet they'd pale in comparison when looking at impulse response and therefore detail reproduction, which the auratones are painfully good at.. Which is why few to none of the audio monitor manufacturers out there give waterfall plots. That low end ringing is something they'd rather just ignore! I don't think they ignore it.. I think they just don't want the end user to know it! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2014 19:48:37 GMT -6
I think when Peterson releases the full kit, he'll have a viable driver, he's not into bringing crap to the table.
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Post by WKG on Mar 17, 2014 20:04:44 GMT -6
Which is why few to none of the audio monitor manufacturers out there give waterfall plots. That low end ringing is something they'd rather just ignore! I don't think they ignore it.. I think they just don't want the end user to know it! Any suggestions as to what might be a good speaker option speaker for these? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 20:04:44 GMT -6
I bought the Avantones with no regrets. I am using the UBK approach of checking on them at really low volumes and of course, listening at standard levels.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 17, 2014 20:06:00 GMT -6
I saw this today too..... seems like it'd be simple to find a comparable driver, the design is so simple, just looks like MDF glued and screwed. I'd like to make a couple when the right driver is available. I totally agree with svart, the thin paper driver is what makes Auratones have that detail. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2014 20:14:15 GMT -6
Agreed, thin paper/pulp drivers are generally very accurate and responsive.
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Post by svart on Mar 17, 2014 21:41:35 GMT -6
I don't know off hand what drivers would be more suitable anymore. I've built a few speakers the last few years and most of what is out there is done with the notion that people will be building multiple driver setups. The midbass and full range drivers are generally built for cone stiffness now to lower harmonic trash from resonating cones. So as people make drivers with "better" specs, they lose some of the mojo that made older drivers useful in their own ways. Kinda sounds like every other audio device, right? I'll take a look around and see what I see for drivers.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 17, 2014 22:11:21 GMT -6
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Post by keymod on Mar 18, 2014 4:43:05 GMT -6
Parts Express has a large selection of speaker components
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2014 7:01:24 GMT -6
I know that people love the fostex full ranges. There are full kits on the Madisound site too. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 18, 2014 7:24:41 GMT -6
^ cool svart! Here's a list of recommends on Peterson's site, he said it will grow  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2014 7:33:10 GMT -6
One day, I'm going to get in to DIY...It's one of those things that I KNOW I'll love when I do it...but the learning curve has just held me back...
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2014 7:36:08 GMT -6
Most modern small woofers have heavy cones. The auratones have very light paper cones which are more akin to guitar speakers than woofers. The magic of the auratone is mostly the light cone and secondly the lack of crossover. Those woofer choices listed on the page all have fairly heavy cones, as they are meant to be used in modern multi-speaker setups. They might have the midrange-y sound of auratones, but I'd bet they'd pale in comparison when looking at impulse response and therefore detail reproduction, which the auratones are painfully good at.. Which is why few to none of the audio monitor manufacturers out there give waterfall plots. That low end ringing is something they'd rather just ignore! Speaking of which, I remembered reading about NS10's and why people love them, and remembered that they mentioned that the Auratone 5C and the NS10 had very similar waterfalls.. www.soundonsound.com/pdfs/ns10m.pdfAnd apparently they do! Very interesting about that low end. Makes total sense now though. |
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Post by henge on Mar 18, 2014 7:37:32 GMT -6
One day, I'm going to get in to DIY...It's one of those things that I KNOW I'll love when I do it...but the learning curve has just held me back... Same here. Watching guys like tonycamphd ( who's an absolute monster diy guy ) is inspiring. Just gotta find the time! |
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Post by henge on Mar 18, 2014 7:42:22 GMT -6
Which is why few to none of the audio monitor manufacturers out there give waterfall plots. That low end ringing is something they'd rather just ignore! Speaking of which, I remembered reading about NS10's and why people love them, and remembered that they mentioned that the Auratone 5C and the NS10 had very similar waterfalls.. www.soundonsound.com/pdfs/ns10m.pdfAnd apparently they do! Very interesting about that low end. Makes total sense now though. Look at that spike at around 6-8k in the Auratone plots!! wow. |
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Post by svart on Mar 18, 2014 8:27:58 GMT -6
I'd say it's sort of hard to pick that out on my auratones. I do hear the 2khz peak pretty easily though, and it's helped me recognize the masking that the crossover in my JBLs do. Once I heard what I needed to hear, the mixes come much easier.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 21:49:16 GMT -6
Well, John, it is hard to say, but maybe you shouldn't DIY! You can easily lose YEARS of learning and doing time, get your fingers burned, get blinded by lead drops, zapped by valve voltages, etched by acids, blown up by reversed capacitors, etc.etc......without making music anymore!  We cannot give our OK to that! (nahh, just joking...) Hm, i have to take a further look into Visaton's palette. Already saw Petersons list. I am not sure if it is easy to find an appropriate driver that is actually in production. Hence waited to get a woodwork kit pair yet, but am very tempted.... BTW, i heard from people that most of the actual clones like avantones and others are mostly not liked by people who are used to the old auratones. Maybe because of just this? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 22:06:21 GMT -6
Yet, i took a look into these Scan Speak from denmark,..not that bad from the frequency plot, and (still) cheap enough for a try... SP 10F... But still looking around... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 22:36:09 GMT -6
Are there any waterfall plots available for the original auratone drivers, anywhere?
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Post by svart on Mar 20, 2014 7:01:36 GMT -6
Are there any waterfall plots available for the original auratone drivers, anywhere? Only the boxed drivers in the 5C, in the link I posted above. I don't think there are any raw driver waterfall plots for the auratone drivers. |
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