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Post by WKG on Jan 20, 2020 13:59:21 GMT -6
Anybody using these? What values have you found useful?
I've been tinkering around the stew mac version, 150K-ohm in parallel with a .001uF capacitor, on a les paul type and find it very useful.
I have always run my amps a little hot on the high end and just backed off the guitar tone to keep a little boost to compensate for the dullness when rolling the guitar volume back to clean it up. The bleed circuit is much easier, I can't believe I haven't tried it before.
Any thoughts?
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Post by EmRR on Jan 20, 2020 14:12:16 GMT -6
Many ways to skin a cat, if it works for you, great. It's a pretty simple EQ that you can tweak to heart's content.
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Post by winetree on Jan 20, 2020 19:29:37 GMT -6
I've installed these on a few of my guitars. Mojo tone sells a 220K resistor in series with a 471pf capacitor. There are many combo values of theses, I haven't tried them.
Under moral circumstances when the volume is lowered the treble is attenuated.
The purpose of this circuit is to keep a constant tone when changing the volume. Worth the few cents in parts.
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Post by WKG on Jan 20, 2020 19:51:02 GMT -6
The 150K-ohm/.001uF capacitor combination works well with humbuckers. I tried the "50's" wiring also and although it helps I am partial to the tone bleed.
I'm going to try it in a few of my other guitars.
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Post by anders on Aug 23, 2020 0:58:54 GMT -6
I did it on a couple of guitars, but found out it robbed me of the tonal versatilty of rolling the volume back a bit to lose some top. So it is a trade off between keeping the highs in a live setting, and being able to mellow the bite a little when recording.
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Post by Ward on Aug 24, 2020 6:20:37 GMT -6
I did it on a couple of guitars, but found out it robbed me of the tonal versatilty of rolling the volume back a bit to lose some top. So it is a trade off between keeping the highs in a live setting, and being able to mellow the bite a little when recording. I have the opposite desire with backing off the volume, I want the tone to stay the same. But... TETO (to each their own)!! |
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Post by anders on Aug 24, 2020 9:27:27 GMT -6
I have the opposite desire with backing off the volume, I want the tone to stay the same. But... TETO (to each their own)!! Well; it doesn't really stay the same. I found it a less attractive version of my tone, but with more treble, it also impacted volume swells in a way I didn't like. So for a live setting in a band, it helps you cut through and is good enough, but for recording it's a different story, in my view. But it is easily reversible (at least on guitars where you're not working through an F-hole), so try it, and see if you like it. |
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Post by notneeson on Aug 24, 2020 18:19:20 GMT -6
I tend to play the volume knob wide open for cleans and then push the front end with a boost to go up from there.
But, my studio partner claims he gets better tone the volume knob backed off a hair, and he's a treble bleed guy. I always wonder: wouldn't he just like lower output pickups better at that point?
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Post by Guitar on Sept 6, 2020 10:23:26 GMT -6
I have a Guild Starfire II with a very simple treble bleed circuit, a single 500 pF ceramic capacitor. Pickups are humbuckers. It does "a thing" that I really love. Mainly, when you're playing at volume, with a drummer, whatever, you can nudge back either volume knob and your distortion tone cleans up a lot, sounds more like an overdriven single coil than a roaring humbucker/stack thing. I haven't played with other values, this one does work for me though.
I have a Les Paul Junior -style guitar with P90s that has the '50s wiring. I also find this to be very effective for a similar purpose.
Another thing I noticed, the Jazzmaster / humbucker / Jazz Blaster I just rewired, the taper on the volume pots is super steep. So it cleans up a lot between 10 and 8.5 if you know what I mean, it's not gradual. This is desirable to me.
So there's three different ways to get that dirty/clean thing with the volume knob on the guitar.
For my single coil Stratocasters I prefer the "modern" "normal" wiring since they are already bright, and already low output, you want more fine control.
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Post by svart on Sept 7, 2020 9:31:30 GMT -6
I tried one a while ago but took it out because I always like to turn the volume knob back a little to clean up the signal and that goes away with a treble bleed circuit
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2020 9:40:24 GMT -6
I have a Guild Starfire II with a very simple treble bleed circuit, a single 500 pF ceramic capacitor. Pickups are humbuckers. It does "a thing" that I really love. Mainly, when you're playing at volume, with a drummer, whatever, you can nudge back either volume knob and your distortion tone cleans up a lot, sounds more like an overdriven single coil than a roaring humbucker/stack thing. I haven't played with other values, this one does work for me though.SNIP Say, would you take a couple/few pictures of the wiring in the control cavity please? And also, what values are the volume pots? This kind of thing would be very useful in my LP Special with the stacked P100s!! |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2020 9:50:51 GMT -6
I have a Guild Starfire II with a very simple treble bleed circuit, a single 500 pF ceramic capacitor. Pickups are humbuckers. It does "a thing" that I really love. Mainly, when you're playing at volume, with a drummer, whatever, you can nudge back either volume knob and your distortion tone cleans up a lot, sounds more like an overdriven single coil than a roaring humbucker/stack thing. I haven't played with other values, this one does work for me though.SNIP Say, would you take a couple/few pictures of the wiring in the control cavity please? And also, what values are the volume pots? This kind of thing would be very useful in my LP Special with the stacked P100s!! Hey Ward. I can't take pictures because it's a hollow body and it's a b$tch to take apart, don't want to wiggle anything. That old guitar is a little needy sometimes, but I love it. Willing to do the maintenance when it comes up. The trick is really pretty simple though. It's a 500 Kilo ohm pot in my Guild, with Burstbucker 1 and 2 pickups. The capacitor goes from lug 3 to lug 2 of the volume pot. Lug 1, the one that goes to ground, is left alone. In practice, it's a pretty easy thing to solder together. My guitar has a 500 pF high voltage ceramic disc capacitor in that spot. You can try other values and other types of capacitors. It works for me so I haven't tweaked it at all, just left it alone and used it. Here's sort of a thorough article about some of these options: drkevguitar.com/2016/11/24/treble-bleed-mod-roundup/ |
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Post by slowhammond on Oct 15, 2020 18:05:06 GMT -6
Anybody using these? What values have you found useful? I've been tinkering around the stew mac version, 150K-ohm in parallel with a .001uF capacitor, on a les paul type and find it very useful. I have always run my amps a little hot on the high end and just backed off the guitar tone to keep a little boost to compensate for the dullness when rolling the guitar volume back to clean it up. The bleed circuit is much easier, I can't believe I haven't tried it before. Any thoughts? Changed my playing, made me happy. Never used lower volumes til I put one in. Can’t play without it now. I forget the values at the moment, but I called up Emerson and got his rec. I get most of my under the hood parts from him. Great guys there. Treble bleeds greatly reduced my concern over/fixation with pickups and ohm values. It’s just good honest playing fun with a treble bleed, gives you back 3/4 of your guitar sound, in my opinion. Strat, LP, Dano ... all of em benefit. |
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