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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2019 10:56:25 GMT -6
What can I say, 20x20x12 concrete room in a building with 24hr security, attached to a paid parking garage $400mo utilities included.
It’s a storage space in my building!
I just need 3-4 stable guys who can afford a build out!
Nothing is ever easy!
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Post by mcirish on Dec 20, 2019 11:34:41 GMT -6
Are you doing a room inside the room for noise purposes? Wish I was closer. I'd jump in to that project. My own room is 20 x 20 x 8. Wish I had higher ceilings, but cloud absorbers are working well.
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Post by ericn on Dec 20, 2019 12:05:17 GMT -6
Are you doing a room inside the room for noise purposes? Wish I was closer. I'd jump in to that project. My own room is 20 x 20 x 8. Wish I had higher ceilings, but cloud absorbers are working well. If I can find the right partners ! The concepts I have on paper are what I would call a modified Ethan Winer one room with both and closet / machine room. |
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 20, 2019 22:23:38 GMT -6
Is it really 20x20?
If so you would benefit by making a small room to remove the box factor. Maybe a triangular iso room for amps, vocals, kit?
Some advice (I've built some great rooms):
One dead wall facing one live wall.
Never use raw insulation or foam without some sort of wood slat paneling over it to keep some ambience in the room. A dead room sucks.
Although.. a room that is dead in the lows and low mids is wonderful. Dead in the upper mids also often a great benefit, but dead in the highs suck every time. I always approach room design as treating full low end absorption arching up to a sweet (often wood paneled) ambience in the highs.
Is it a concrete floor? Better treat the ceiling!
But it is much cheaper to deaden / treat a floor than a ceiling. YET - the ceiling will still need either angled panels (to expand the frequency absorption rates) and to calm down any low and low mid waves that modulate between the floor and ceiling. Otherwise there will be a comb filtering mess.
Treat the corners for low end / low mid trapping. Make this treatment modular / removable for when you move.
Have an electrician set up good balanced power first.
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Post by ericn on Dec 22, 2019 21:43:36 GMT -6
Is it really 20x20? If so you would benefit by making a small room to remove the box factor. Maybe a triangular iso room for amps, vocals, kit? Some advice (I've built some great rooms): One dead wall facing one live wall. Never use raw insulation or foam without some sort of wood slat paneling over it to keep some ambience in the room. A dead room sucks. Although.. a room that is dead in the lows and low mids is wonderful. Dead in the upper mids also often a great benefit, but dead in the highs suck every time. I always approach room design as treating full low end absorption arching up to a sweet (often wood paneled) ambience in the highs. Is it a concrete floor? Better treat the ceiling! But it is much cheaper to deaden / treat a floor than a ceiling. YET - the ceiling will still need either angled panels (to expand the frequency absorption rates) and to calm down any low and low mid waves that modulate between the floor and ceiling. Otherwise there will be a comb filtering mess. Treat the corners for low end / low mid trapping. Make this treatment modular / removable for when you move. Have an electrician set up good balanced power first. The room is a true 20x20x12 concrete box, I’m not sure how dead I want a space that will function as both tracking and control room, in all the builds I have done or assisted with it’s been a build it tight then tune for best results and that’s where I would probably start again. I don’t disagree in theory with your comments, but as is often the case reality sucks. The reality of HVAC, fire sprinklers and budget the ceiling treatment might be limited. As for power well first and foremost I am a firm believer in not prescribing any AC fix till you know your issues, I have seen excellent results with balanced power, but in all my years of selling and since for every time balanced power was an improvement I have seen an equal number where when bypassed no one could really tell the difference. Add the fact that I won’t be able to wire from the box so I don’t think balanced is going to do much. Living in the same building I will say though some voltage regulation might come in handy. That’s the thing with builds we all have to deal with the hand the real world deals us, did I mention 24/7 security with cameras and a parking garage? |
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 22, 2019 22:47:26 GMT -6
I hear ya on the balanced power.
I would still think the square floor layout will be the biggest challenge. Maybe design toward killing that.. like on two facing walls do:
One wall shelves / long narrow storage / wide, but narrow machine room etc (Room is prolly too small for a machine room).
Other facing wall do storage shelves / bass trapping etc.
Regarding the ceiling treatment, at a minimum doing floor to wall corner traps and at least some traps at the top of the wall and ceiling seam will go far. Maybe far enough that you can put simply hang some (angled) foam covered 2'x4' wood panels from the ceiling in certain spots.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 23, 2019 2:45:30 GMT -6
What city are you in?
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Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2019 8:18:41 GMT -6
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 23, 2019 23:13:04 GMT -6
Played the Hurricane many times, back in "the day". KC is a great city. Best of luck!
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Post by chessparov on Dec 24, 2019 16:26:27 GMT -6
"They've got some pretty little women there...".  Chris |
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Post by ericn on Dec 24, 2019 22:31:00 GMT -6
"They've got some pretty little women there...". Chris You guys should try the BBQ! 2 pounds of Arthur Bryant’s smoked turkey is in the fridge for tomorrow. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 25, 2019 8:20:46 GMT -6
Good luck Eric!
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