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Post by drbill on Nov 23, 2019 21:36:33 GMT -6
Since we all seem to be in a "quitting XYZ plugin's" syndrome.......... I'm done with WAVES. DONE! So sick of their renewal fees. I end up buying a bunch of their plugs "on sale" for crazy low prices (like $29). -- then I never really end up using them. Then, when rebuilding my latest computer and upgrading this week, I get hit with a TON of upgrade fees. Just not worth it. No matter if they are really cheap upon buying. They get you later. The only plug I'll really miss is Abbey Road Chambers. That is a really nice plugin. I guess I'll manage with my Bricasti. LOL. . Done... With.... Waves... Somebody smack me if I mention buying another WAVES license.
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Post by aremos on Nov 23, 2019 21:54:03 GMT -6
But isn't every company doing that now? I stay without upgrading for years. Then when it's time to "need" an upgrade, since one is a prior customer, there's always a good deal. At least that's what's happened to me. I did the same with Avid & guess I'll stay with Ultimate for a while until ... . Since the Avid stuff is in the iLok & the Waves isn't you might have a point there.
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Post by sean on Nov 23, 2019 22:46:52 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one.
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Post by svart on Nov 23, 2019 23:23:04 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one. Yeah but if they're older than 9.3, they no longer offer the installers for the older plugs. I expect that the oldest supported version will keep advancing too, so when you need to reinstall, I hope you kept a copy of your old installers. Also, you can run 9 and 10, but if you install 10+ you need to install the new manager package which ruins your 9 install and you need to reinstall.. and see above.. Because I read that 9 and 10 would work, so I installed 10 with some new plugs.. I had version 9.2 plugs, no installers. No support. So sorry, time to update at full price! Luckily I still had copies of the 9.2 shell dll's and the plug dll's so I was able to place them in the right directories for my programs to recognize them still.
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Post by svart on Nov 23, 2019 23:29:34 GMT -6
But isn't every company doing that now? I stay without upgrading for years. Then when it's time to "need" an upgrade, since one is a prior customer, there's always a good deal. At least that's what's happened to me. I did the same with Avid & guess I'll stay with Ultimate for a while until ... . Since the Avid stuff is in the iLok & the Waves isn't you might have a point there. Yes. Professional software had been doing that for years and years once they realized that folks won't purchase updates that really don't add a lot of functionality. It was only a matter of time before pro audio software got into it.. Besides, most modern program's EULAs technically outline that you're leasing the software indefinitely and therefore you don't actually own it.. legal way to get out of a lot litigious situations that software companies have found themselves in these days.
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Post by brenta on Nov 23, 2019 23:33:42 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one. I've had mine stop working when upgrading to a new OS and/or DAW version. Had to WUP.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 23, 2019 23:51:25 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one. I've had mine stop working when upgrading to a new OS and/or DAW version. Had to WUP. Exactly. Running Logic which has frequent, and free, updates I got Wuped by updating. Supposedly these were lifetime licences and there weren’t upgrades that included new features or anything. So I was very surprised to find out that these were not in fact lifetime licences. Nor was there any upgrade in features. But I lost my ability to use them. Borderline fraudulent if you ask me. But, whatever. Bye bye Waves. Never again. Sure was not something I expected when upgrading Logic or the OS. But now I know. And know to avoid at all costs. Cheers, Geoff
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 24, 2019 5:13:52 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one.
That would mean I buy a 25 bucks plug in and my old SSL bundle works again? No way?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 24, 2019 5:44:01 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one. I'm in the same boat as drbill. My Waves worked great for years on my MBP running 10.9. Mix of old and new. I just built a new machine running 10.14 and the majority of my Waves can't be installed without WUPping to a new version.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 24, 2019 6:33:14 GMT -6
I’ve never had to renew my WUP on a plug in...they all work. And some I bought at least 5 years ago. You can have V9 and V10 installed at the same time so older plugins will still work when you buy a new one. I'm in the same boat as drbill . My Waves worked great for years on my MBP running 10.9. Mix of old and new. I just built a new machine running 10.14 and the majority of my Waves can't be installed without WUPping to a new version.
That's why I stopped buying Waves and why I warned all the ones who were raving about the 29 bucks deals. They make you pay the plug ins later and this feels bad.
It's not a good relationship.
I bought the Waves SSL bundle when they saw the light of the earth---- this was 900 bucks. I made the first WUP thing this was 200 more bucks. Then with the next OS upgrade they wanted another 200 bucks - for a single bundle.
That was the moment when I jumped of the Waves train.
I am happy that I did it. There are to many great alternatives on the market and I don't need a thousand plug ins to make a song work. The market is over saturated with tools and I can't follow it anymore.
I am happy without using Waves. Just Waves did not recognize that they are no longer the only one who code great quality plug ins.
The days when Waves was the holy grail of mixing ITB are long gone.
Its time for realty check in the Waves head office.
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Post by M57 on Nov 24, 2019 7:37:52 GMT -6
Live and learn, I only have a half dozen Waves plugins, most of which I picked up at $29, so it's not hard to say bye bye to those. More and more, I'm sticking with just a hand full of aftermarket purchases like Novatron, MJUC, and the Slate Everything (where at least I know exactly what I'm getting and for how long). I'm also committed to investing in hardware. I record mostly acoustic and I know I can get by with a just few more good compressors. That and I'm learning how to love Logic's plugs, which practically upgrade themselves and don't cost me a thing.
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Post by aremos on Nov 24, 2019 8:34:32 GMT -6
After like 10 years, I've updated to a great deal: Horizon (complete package) for about a little over $200. & got V9 on 1 drive (Mavericks) with PT 10 HD (Accel hardware) + V11 on other drive (Sierra) with PT Ultimate 2019.10
The Avid upgrade ($1K) is what I think was too much.
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2019 10:39:21 GMT -6
But isn't every company doing that now?. Not yet. Not everyone. Plenty of options out there. Hardware included too.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 24, 2019 11:10:05 GMT -6
I've haven't paid the WUP in years. All my Waves plugins work fine.
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2019 11:29:27 GMT -6
I bought quite a bit of Waves stuff over the years but I've never paid a WUP. A couple of things I've bought at the $29 fire sale pricing in lieu of WUPing. The thing I realized a few years ago is that I don't really like Waves' modeling of nonlinear stuff. Their saturation/harmonic modeling all kind of sounds the same to me, whether it's Kramer tape or REDD or whatever. And their utility stuff has, to me, long been surpassed by other companies (like Fabfilter).
The Waves plugs I still have active are AR Chambers (really like that one), ADT and PYE comp. Prob a few others but I don't use them much. The Waves SSL is not in the same league as Brainworx or Slate to my ear. I used to love and use the hell out of it (Waves SSL) and bought one of the strips back at $29 and boy was I disappointed in the sonics. Sounds flat, pointy and papery compared to Brainworx or Slate.
So I say ditch most of it and be glad!
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2019 11:37:04 GMT -6
AR Chambers (really like that one)! Agreed. That's the only one I'll miss, but from all the other things I've got, I can get along without it just fine. But yeah, I will miss having it a bit.
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2019 11:38:57 GMT -6
AR Chambers (really like that one)! Agreed. That's the only one I'll miss, but from all the other things I've got, I can get along without it just fine. But yeah, I will miss having it a bit. Has it even been out long enough for your WUP to have expired on it? I’m probably just losing track of time but hasn’t it only been out a year or so? Also you could buy it back for $29 when it goes on sale and get a few more years out of it.
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2019 11:45:20 GMT -6
Agreed. That's the only one I'll miss, but from all the other things I've got, I can get along without it just fine. But yeah, I will miss having it a bit. Has it even been out long enough for your WUP to have expired on it? I’m probably just losing track of time but hasn’t it only been out a year or so? Also you could buy it back for $29 when it goes on sale and get a few more years out of it. Yup. Wupped. Out a year and a half or so. I don't really want to get back into bed with waves over AR Chambers. I have lots of other great stuff I can use including the Bricasti.
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Post by ragan on Nov 24, 2019 11:49:07 GMT -6
Has it even been out long enough for your WUP to have expired on it? I’m probably just losing track of time but hasn’t it only been out a year or so? Also you could buy it back for $29 when it goes on sale and get a few more years out of it. Yup. Wupped. Out a year and a half or so. I don't really want to get back into bed with waves over AR Chambers. I have lots of other great stuff I can use including the Bricasti. How long does a license stay current upon first purchase? I thought it was a couple of years. Edit: I see that it's a year. And you built a new machine so yeah, bummer. You'll just have to make do with that Bricasti.
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2019 11:50:41 GMT -6
Yup. Wupped. Out a year and a half or so. I don't really want to get back into bed with waves over AR Chambers. I have lots of other great stuff I can use including the Bricasti. How long does a license stay current upon first purchase? I thought it was a couple of years. ?? But moving up to Mojave / PT2019 from Yosemite / PT12.4 nixed it. But honestly, it's all OK. I'm not going to miss ANY Waves plugins. I've got way too much in the way of plugins anyway. Took 2 loooong days to download updaters, reinstalls, authorizations and stuff. And that was all the non-iLok stuff. I have to say (at the risk of derailing the thread), that I LOVE iLok. Other than Izotope who's logistics have always seemed messed up and wonky to me, iLok has been flawless for for me for 10+ years - however long it's been around.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 24, 2019 12:21:13 GMT -6
I'll be moving off Waves when I get a new machine. Till then it still works but I only really use a few of the plugs. I really like RennAx for a quick set it and forget it comp. I think the H Delay is the only thing I use in every session and I'll have to find something to replace that. I just really liked the simple interface. The fabfilter stuff has moved me away from any of the L limiters I used to use.
And yeah I'm with drbill, Ive never had a problem with iLok.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 24, 2019 12:37:42 GMT -6
Only waves plugin I'll miss when I kick the bucket is the CLA3A. Thing is awesome. Can literally put it on anything with no gain reduction and it sounds better.
Answer...buy more la3a hardware haha
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 24, 2019 12:45:26 GMT -6
Idk about you guys but I’m almost ready to ditch all my 3rd party plugs and just use the stock Cubase stuff, which at this point is getting crazy good. The only real weak link is saturation plugs and reverbs/ambiences.
At the end of the day I only really use a handful of plugs anyway. Idk...I’m talking out my ass...maybe the Soundtoys bundle I just got will change my mind
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2019 13:10:54 GMT -6
I think the H Delay is the only thing I use in every session and I'll have to find something to replace that. I just really liked the simple interface. The fabfilter stuff has moved me away from any of the L limiters I used to use. And yeah I'm with drbill, Ive never had a problem with iLok. Check out the EchoFarm plugin by Line6. I know, I know,,,,Line 6 and all, but it is REALLY great sounding. Simple, and it just drops into mixes like nothing else for me. Actually, before they developed AAX compatibility, I stayed on an older TDM based system BECAUSE of EchoFarm. It is that good, and I use a lot of delays instead of / in addition to verb. Also worth checking out of the new Valhalla delay. Really good, but a lot tweakier, and I usually end up back on EchoFarm. YES!!! to the FabFilter stuff!!!!!!! And yeah, a 100% happy iLok user here. Actually, I'm always bummed when I find out a plugin ISN'T iLok.
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Post by drbill on Nov 24, 2019 13:12:57 GMT -6
The only real weak link is saturation plugs and reverbs/ambiences. At the end of the day I only really use a handful of plugs anyway. Idk...I’m talking out my ass...maybe the Soundtoys bundle I just got will change my mind That's the Sound Toys strength - Decapitator. One of my most used plugs - even just for the filters with no saturation. Really great sounding. Takes a bit of time to warm up to it, but ultimately - really useful. The other ST stuff....I'm kind of "eh" on...
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