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Post by mcirish on Nov 11, 2019 10:02:27 GMT -6
ATM25 and ATM230s. I like 604s on smaller toms. I used to use 421's on toms. I did some comparison recordings and the ATM230 was very clearly better. Best mic for the sound I'm looking for and very inexpensive as well.
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Post by mulmany on Nov 11, 2019 10:11:50 GMT -6
I use e604's or M179's if micing individual Tom's. How do you adjust their settings and position them? Ward, I usually use the pads and set the mics to hyper-cardioid. Positioning usually is drummer dependant, but I try to give them some breathing room above and back from the rim pointed towards the center of the heads. I haven't had a drummer hit one yet!
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Post by EmRR on Nov 11, 2019 10:50:15 GMT -6
I've let RE38N/D's live on toms mostly for a long while. Hard to find though. If it's more delicate playing I might switch to various condensers. The 421 sounds good if cymbal bleed is under control, but can also be pretty nasty.
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 11, 2019 14:18:43 GMT -6
Shure Beta 98 gets the job done for me. But I don't have very big toms or work on rock/hard rock style of music that involves Toms as an integral part of the back beat. If I did I would prob use larger diaphragm condensor such as U87 or Shure KSMs.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 11, 2019 14:47:49 GMT -6
I used MD421's, but they pick up a lot of bleed. The E604's are very convenient for placement and sounded good when the tom is hit. They do rattle though. So, the convenience of clipping of them is offset. I'd put them on stands. If I ever record a live drum set again I'd invest in great gates. Editing tom hits to silence the bleed when they are not hit is a pain in the ass. The 604s are very convenient for live use but using them with the clips really limits your placement and I've come to the conclusion that I generally don't care for close micing toms for recording. For over 20 years I could never understand why I couldn't get a sound I really liked that way. Live is different because stage bleed is a real problem, especially with louder acts, but in the studio it's a totally different thing. I've already gone into that elsewhere on the site, so I won't bore you with a repeat unless I'm asked, other than to say I use Pearlman TM-1s. The other thing about e604s is that they're really flimsy, but then again they're also really cheap. Using stands with 604s is a good idea, but if I did that I'd just use M201s.
I never gate drums, although I do own a couple of Kepexes. I approach the kit as a single instrument and bleed works as natural "glue" - the key is to use mics that have good off-axis response so it doesn't muck up your sound.
Live I'll sometimes use a 421 on floor tom, provided I can keep it away from the cymbals.
Back in the day I used to use MD409s on rack toms, but unfortunately they got stolen. They were great for live work with drummers who had too many cymbals too close to the toms. Yeah, I was doing a lot of metal back then.
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Post by Ward on Nov 11, 2019 16:56:56 GMT -6
How do you adjust their settings and position them? Ward, I usually use the pads and set the mics to hyper-cardioid. Positioning usually is drummer dependant, but I try to give them some breathing room above and back from the rim pointed towards the center of the heads. I haven't had a drummer hit one yet! Curious . . . I stopped getting usable sounds ou of mine about a year into them and moved on. I was a cardioid pattern guy and used the pads, and angled across the heads about 6" above and back enough to avoid most stick hits as well. Lately I've been using U89s and they work most of the time although I use a Heiserman H47 FET on lowest floor tom. It works.
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Post by mulmany on Nov 11, 2019 17:08:28 GMT -6
Ward, I usually use the pads and set the mics to hyper-cardioid. Positioning usually is drummer dependant, but I try to give them some breathing room above and back from the rim pointed towards the center of the heads. I haven't had a drummer hit one yet! Curious . . . I stopped getting usable sounds ou of mine about a year into them and moved on. I was a cardioid pattern guy and used the pads, and angled across the heads about 6" above and back enough to avoid most stick hits as well. Lately I've been using U89s and they work most of the time although I use a Heiserman H47 FET on lowest floor tom. It works. Do the mics still work on other sources then drums? Not that I would use them for much else. Mine are drum and precussion only. I would like to have your problem and have to settle for some old u89's!
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Post by bradd on Nov 11, 2019 21:38:57 GMT -6
Any time I have tried LDCs on toms I just feel like they pick up so much more than just the toms. How do those of you who use LDCs deal with this?
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Post by seawell on Nov 11, 2019 22:23:09 GMT -6
Another vote for CAD M179s. I can always get what I need out of them and they have taken a beating well over the years. They have a super cardiod pattern that really helps cut down on bleed.
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 12, 2019 0:23:46 GMT -6
Any time I have tried LDCs on toms I just feel like they pick up so much more than just the toms. How do those of you who use LDCs deal with this? By using it to my advantage?
For example, I generally don't need or use overheads as such. Or tom mics, for that matter. Front of kit and side (floor tom) of kit pick up everything that tom mics AND overheads would and without the phasing problems. The fewer mics you can get away with the fewer problems you have with mic interaction.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Nov 12, 2019 2:47:55 GMT -6
After testing the Soyuz 013 FET, I haven't looked back. I can't recommend them enough.
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 12, 2019 12:50:44 GMT -6
Any time I have tried LDCs on toms I just feel like they pick up so much more than just the toms. How do those of you who use LDCs deal with this? Gates and/or Editing the Waveforms
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Post by bradd on Nov 12, 2019 14:26:27 GMT -6
Any time I have tried LDCs on toms I just feel like they pick up so much more than just the toms. How do those of you who use LDCs deal with this? Gates and/or Editing the Waveforms Thanks. I'll have to give it another try sometime.
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