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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 5, 2019 10:44:35 GMT -6
Excellent article here by Martin Scorsese. I'm a big fan of cinema. It's an art form I like to casually study, but only casually or the fun in it would be removed. I thought the following article was really well written and I'm left pondering it while I drink my morning coffee. I think its somewhat pertinent to all modern art, especially music. And for the record, I love Marvel Movies. Anyway, enjoy:
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2019 11:09:19 GMT -6
Thanks for posting. I saw that article was on the Times this morning, but I've already hit my limit of articles I can check (or whatever the case may be). Glad to see that another outlet posted it.
Very good real and strong parallel to music.
Did you check out Joker?
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 5, 2019 12:27:46 GMT -6
Not Yet, Joker looks excellent but not sure I'm in the mood for something that heavy, at least not at the moment. It's definitely on my list of movies to watch.
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Post by svart on Nov 5, 2019 13:14:36 GMT -6
While I tend to agree with him on his terminology of "cinema" as it pertains to "art", I think I'd disagree that a "Marvel movie" is not "art". He's created a very personal definition of what constitutes "cinema" to him, and he explains his position very well, but just because he can define what it means to him as an auteur, that certainly doesn't mean that he gets to define "art" to someone else.
The whole nature of "art" is that it's personal and the various genres, styles, periods, etc all have their places. Just because someone doesn't like say "pop-art" style doesn't mean can't like something like impressionism. You are allowed to like something or not, feel something or not, ignore something or not.
However, while he certainly has clout behind him as a filmmaker, he's also very much an opinionated person who's deemed himself worthy of defining a thing and expecting that others use his definition, thus the article "explaining" his position. While it seems like he's intending to "clear up" what he said, he spends most of the article convincing the reader why he's right..
I think a lot of audio folks would "get" the idea that the mix is not just a sum of the whole. You can take a bunch of film snippets and glue them together but that doesn't make a movie, just like you can't take a bunch of audio clips and glue them together and expect a decent mix out of them. A film needs careful planning, editing, coloring, etc. These are all analogies to what we have to do to mixes to get them polished and presentable, and it takes talent and skills to do so.
The finished product is one that teams of folks have done their best on, and while it might not satisfy certain mental cravings of movie connoisseurs, it's a thing that needs talent, skill and artistry to complete and that is art in it's own right.
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Post by svart on Nov 5, 2019 13:15:57 GMT -6
Not Yet, Joker looks excellent but not sure I'm in the mood for something that heavy, at least not at the moment. It's definitely on my list of movies to watch. It's super heavy. You feel dirty at the end. A great movie and great acting, but it's meant to make you question whether or not the world is crazy and it's a bit heavy-handed in the delivery. |
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 6, 2019 17:55:58 GMT -6
The internet (and it's sibling, streaming) destroys everything it touches or, if not destroys outright, reduces it to the lowest common denominator.
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Post by bowie on Nov 7, 2019 21:41:50 GMT -6
My eyes glaze over when I'm forced sit through a modern comic book movie. I love the 1989 Batman with all it's quirkiness and character, but what we have now resembles fast food; loaded with all the things that are supposed to tickle the senses, but lacking in quality and generally devoid of nourishment.
Not that I've liked anything Scorsese has done in years either but at least he's trying to craft something rather than this paint by numbers Marvel stuff.
I absolutely loved Joker, which spits in the eye of the comic book genre. Despite almost no actual "action", it feels far more impactful and intense than any of these CGI-heavy comic book films. I've compared it to what happened to rock in the early 90's. The public became so numbed to the over-the-top and decadent nature of 80's rock that they were craving the simple but intense styles of Nirvana and such.
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