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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 2, 2019 17:58:01 GMT -6
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Post by EmRR on Oct 2, 2019 18:48:51 GMT -6
Not serve clients on site. That’s true in most city codes. Unless you get a code variance permit. Which will almost never happen when the neighbors get asked if they’ll be cool with a recording studio (noise/drugs/prostitution/etc other stereotypes) for a neighbor.
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Post by Bender on Oct 2, 2019 19:20:15 GMT -6
interesting,thanks for sharing!
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 2, 2019 19:39:27 GMT -6
Not serve clients on site. That’s true in most city codes. Unless you get a code variance permit. Which will almost never happen when the neighbors get asked if they’ll be cool with a recording studio (noise/drugs/prostitution/etc other stereotypes) for a neighbor. Ah. That makes sense. Still does that mean you basically can't recording people at your house? |
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 2, 2019 22:26:09 GMT -6
Not serve clients on site. That’s true in most city codes. Unless you get a code variance permit. Which will almost never happen when the neighbors get asked if they’ll be cool with a recording studio (noise/drugs/prostitution/etc other stereotypes) for a neighbor. Not if you live in an area that is zoned mixed use, residential AND business. Then you're subject, at most, to similar regulations as a neighborhood bar. Probably not as stringent, since studios seldom have large, noisy crouds hanging out on the sidewalk and studios, as a rule, do not serve liquor.
This situation in Nashville is one of the major reasons that I did not choose to relocate there in 2016. The rules (or enforcement of them) is/are far more draconian in Nashville than in almost any other major city that I've heard of.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 2, 2019 22:34:47 GMT -6
It would appear that they are, in fact, in violation of the very legal doctrine that they're quoting in support of their unconstitutional practice.
Neither a recording studio nor a hair salon has any liklihood of causing harm to others.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 3, 2019 6:02:56 GMT -6
Noise ordinance goes hand in hand with the concept of harm here. Music or speech over 55dB-a is apparently a common violation threshold after hours, and 65 dB-a at any hour in some places. Absurd, but the law. Clearly seldom enforced and purely complaint driven. Note industrial noise, trains, etc are exempt at all times, leaf blowers etc was in the day. I don’t know about TN, but there are very few mixed use zonings anywhere here.
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Post by svart on Oct 3, 2019 7:35:10 GMT -6
Noise ordinance goes hand in hand with the concept of harm here. Music or speech over 55dB-a is apparently a common violation threshold after hours, and 65 dB-a at any hour in some places. Absurd, but the law. Clearly seldom enforced and purely complaint driven. Note industrial noise, trains, etc are exempt at all times, leaf blowers etc was in the day. I don’t know about TN, but there are very few mixed use zonings anywhere here. In my area the violation threshold is "can hear it at the curb" and police can issue citations if they hear anything at the property line. I don't have much issue since most of my studio is technically underground and well insulated from the world and you can barely hear anything at the curb even at full volume, but the cops routinely drive through my neighborhood and drive right on by the crowds of folks listening to loud music on their front lawns at 2am, so I think I'm pretty safe. Although, only 10 miles south in Atlanta proper, they have similar war against "home studios" as Nashville because a few high-profile murders have happened at "home studios", but in reality they've been grumbling for some time about not getting tax revenue from home businesses, so I'd bet it's just that. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 3, 2019 8:27:57 GMT -6
Yeah, raise your hand if you are paying local property tax on business equipment. I am.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 7, 2019 1:25:09 GMT -6
It would appear that they are, in fact, in violation of the very legal doctrine that they're quoting in support of their unconstitutional practice.
Neither a recording studio nor a hair salon has any liklihood of causing harm to others.
Hmm... The local hair salon could have a permanent issue, on their hands though.  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 8, 2019 13:54:48 GMT -6
Not serve clients on site. That’s true in most city codes. Unless you get a code variance permit. Which will almost never happen when the neighbors get asked if they’ll be cool with a recording studio (noise/drugs/prostitution/etc other stereotypes) for a neighbor. Ah. That makes sense. Still does that mean you basically can't recording people at your house? The Popo better bring guns... |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 8, 2019 18:55:51 GMT -6
Have some free donuts and coffee handy too.
Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 9, 2019 8:36:49 GMT -6
There's something fundamentally wrong here. I get that if someone owns a home they have a right to the peaceful enjoyment of it. I also get that we have a right to do as we please in our homes as long as it's not disturbing the peace. I think it should be simple, if you can't hear it at the curb, there's no problem, unless there are other people's cars parked on your lawn ;-)
There's a huge difference between a home studio, even a professional one and a commercial studio.
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Post by drbill on Oct 10, 2019 13:25:12 GMT -6
In LA, we went thru all this BS in the early 90's. All is OK. The fear is long gone. Home studio's are fine, and thriving....
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Post by EmRR on Oct 10, 2019 13:31:45 GMT -6
In LA, we went thru all this BS in the early 90's. All is OK. The fear is long gone. Home studio's are fine, and thriving.... Yeah that was an organized commercial studio political push if I recall. I'm sure it's part of Nashville too. |
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Post by drbill on Oct 10, 2019 14:53:18 GMT -6
In LA, we went thru all this BS in the early 90's. All is OK. The fear is long gone. Home studio's are fine, and thriving.... Yeah that was an organized commercial studio political push if I recall. I'm sure it's part of Nashville too. Yes, well organized. They hunted down commercial home studio's like the N***'s hunted down the J***. It was a pretty stressful time for all involved. On both sides, and for the musicians too. Ultimately LA realized that the infrastructure of the freeways couldn't contain all the additional traffic if all home businesses (not just studio's) were forced to commute. There were tens of thousands of home based businesses. It became a "saving precious natural resources" issue. Less gas, less freeway wear and tear, happier tax paying citizens.... |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 13, 2019 15:25:20 GMT -6
LA was/is complicated.
The zoning laws require a certain ratio of building square feet to parking space. This made building a new studio insanely expensive since the number of people working in a studio is far smaller than other businesses having the same size building. On top of that, you were competing with older studios that were exempt from the zoning laws by virtue of already existing at the time the laws were enacted.
This resulted in a few people buying houses and literally turning them into SSL rooms that were undercutting the rates of the established studios. That's what the established studios revolted. The story got spun into big bad music industry nonsense.
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Post by drbill on Oct 13, 2019 17:00:28 GMT -6
LA was/is complicated. The zoning laws require a certain ratio of building square feet to parking space. This made building a new studio insanely expensive since the number of people working in a studio is far smaller than other businesses having the same size building. On top of that, you were competing with older studios that were exempt from the zoning laws by virtue of already existing at the time the laws were enacted. This resulted in a few people buying houses and literally turning them into SSL rooms that were undercutting the rates of the established studios. That's what the established studios revolted. The story got spun into big bad music industry nonsense. All that is true, but IME the real reason the established studio's revolted was not because of parking problems driving owners into "homes", but because it was the birth of the era of home based studio's for convenience of the producer / engineer owners, and the changeup in the way things were recorded - overdubs vs. ensembles. And LA traffic, which could eat up half a day. There was (and still is) a huge shift in paradigm away from traditional production workflows. Parking issues may have been an issue for building new zoned rooms, but the reality is that the OLD rooms were going out of buisness and coming up for lease faster than anyone could fill them. There was a glut of empty studios as no one wanted the big rooms anymore. Especially at the lease rates that being in the city demanded. Most of the home studio's were not SSL rooms, and most were not operating at bargain basement prices - that is until there were 10 thousand of them.  Some of the home SSL rooms were quite expensive on the outset. The reality is, it was the beginning of the Alesis / Mackie / ADAT / DA88 come DAW revolution that really changed things up. For the first time ever, it became cheap and convenient enough to "record at home". That paradigm shift caused a huge shockwave for anyone trying to hold on to the past way of doing things, and they were so scared they tried to "stop the upstarts" with zoning laws. Eventually this blew up in their faces. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 13, 2019 17:11:10 GMT -6
The SSL rooms were what actually kindled it according to several of my friends who were directly involved. Musicians have always had home recording setups.
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Post by drbill on Oct 14, 2019 10:40:00 GMT -6
The amount of "home musician studio's" were really insignificant until the 90's, but there WAS one guy - forget his name - that had a very high profile SSL mix room in his home. Also, OHenrys was high profile too - Leon Russel's old studio in Toluca Lake. Both of those were at the tip of the controversy, in the newspapers and evening TV news, and were eventually were forced out of their "homes" and back into commercial spaces because of their high profile. But no, it was the huge growth of average everyday musicians and producers home studio's that really mixed things up and caused the big shakeup. The work flow of normal session work in LA changed hugely over a 5 year period with home studio's grabbing the lions share of the work. That's what drove the traditional guys into a frenzy.
But actually, in reality, it started a bit earlier than that. 1981 when the musicians union went on strike against the film producers for a year, and the film producers decided to (mostly) abandon LA for Toronto, Vancouver, London, and eastern europe for their sessions. That one year long event changed LA studio / musician history forever. Before that, there was more work than could be done in the studio's, after that, it was a wasteland. So much work left the city. If that event had not happened, I think both studio paradigms could have co-existed.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 14, 2019 10:52:43 GMT -6
I understood that audio dealers hyped the controversy up because they were afraid it would hurt business.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 14, 2019 19:20:26 GMT -6
LA was/is complicated. The zoning laws require a certain ratio of building square feet to parking space. This made building a new studio insanely expensive since the number of people working in a studio is far smaller than other businesses having the same size building. On top of that, you were competing with older studios that were exempt from the zoning laws by virtue of already existing at the time the laws were enacted. This resulted in a few people buying houses and literally turning them into SSL rooms that were undercutting the rates of the established studios. That's what the established studios revolted. The story got spun into big bad music industry nonsense. Well, it's one of the major reasons that kept me out of Nashville.
If I had moved to Nashville it would have been absolutely necessary to operate my studio on a sermi-commercial basis just to make ends meet, given that Tennessee has zero programs to help elderly people with limited income. And I don't have the resources to pay rent on a commercial space.
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Some of the home SSL rooms were quite expensive on the outset.