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Post by johneppstein on Apr 24, 2019 19:46:22 GMT -6
I'll make a vote for akg c1000 hard to describe but schmeary is the most specific thing I can remember Occasionally, like in metal, they can work REALLY well. Now, AKG C451s? I just can't get on with them on overheads Which 451s? the new, non modular ones, suck on pretty much anything you can name, athough they do come with a nice wooden box. Of course they're not real 451s.
Other mics that totally suck on OH - SM57 (or course), MD421.
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Post by Ward on Apr 25, 2019 2:53:55 GMT -6
Occasionally, like in metal, they can work REALLY well. Now, AKG C451s? I just can't get on with them on overheads Which 451s? the new, non modular ones, suck on pretty much anything you can name, athough they do come with a nice wooden box. Of course they're not real 451s.
Other mics that totally suck on OH - SM57 (or course), MD421.
What dynamics don't suck on OH duties?
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 25, 2019 4:00:27 GMT -6
I used two sm57's for stereo high room mics and it turned out killer. There are reasons I don't even reach or try certain mics for specific duties. Have you tried TLM103's on overheads? They make great tom mics, or even spatial mics picking up ambience. They sucked royal for me on overheads, however I have used them with some success for other duties.
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Post by EmRR on Apr 25, 2019 9:33:57 GMT -6
Other mics that totally suck on OH - SM57 (or course), MD421.
What dynamics don't suck on OH duties? You can get decent results out of EV RE-15/16 and some of their better omni's. Depends on what you want and what the source delivers.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 25, 2019 12:28:18 GMT -6
Miktek C7 pair. They do sound brilliant on some sources. I love the excitement they bring to nylon string guitar and vocals.
But OH? Just too much in the highs. It can work if I pull the highs down but, I feel like that never sounds quite as good as a mic that you don't have to EQ.
I have seen people use those mics on OH though and it wasn't too bad.
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Post by javamad on Apr 25, 2019 14:18:41 GMT -6
Neumann KM140....the treble boost was always a thing to fight. Crown SASS-P mkII. Pretty harsh and very hard to nail the center image at close distances. Oktava MK-012. Kinda hard/brash sounding. Similar with the MK-102. Yeah I forgot about the Oktava 012. They just had a weird frequency response that was unnatural. Really like them on a lot of acoustic instruments though. Ditto .. Oktava 012's I found harsh. I also have a slight problem with my current AKG 314's .. they have a certain clickety sound on the hi hats they are picking up that makes me reach for my soothe plugin. (I got much better results with my Cascade Fatheads but I need to get better mic stands before I am happy putting such heavy mics up high!)
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Post by saltyjames on Nov 4, 2019 8:17:21 GMT -6
Been using 414buls on overhead for far too long. It's a smooth sound but a tab too smooth.. Ready for either Stam SA87's or Coles 4038.
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2019 8:36:55 GMT -6
Been using 414buls on overhead for far too long. It's a smooth sound but a tab too smooth.. Ready for either Stam SA87's or Coles 4038. If you're thinking of ribbons on overhead, I'm recording a metal album now and decided to sticlk up a pair of Samar VL37s in addition to the Beyer MC930s pair. It's going to be a tough choice in the mix! markfouxman 's ribbons are truly High Fidelity!
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Post by svart on Nov 4, 2019 8:51:13 GMT -6
I tried some Coles on overheads a long time ago. Way too dark. Really, just any ribbons on overhead have been too dark.
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2019 10:03:52 GMT -6
I tried some Coles on overheads a long time ago. Way too dark. Really, just any ribbons on overhead have been too dark. Until the Samar VL37. Seriously, I shit thee not. It's a whole other dimension.
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Post by dreamsambas on Nov 4, 2019 10:09:56 GMT -6
Yeah, Coles are special on overheads, but have a pretty specific sound- dark, rich, chunky. They don’t work for everything.
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Post by mcirish on Nov 4, 2019 10:39:07 GMT -6
Never completely got along with my pair of AT4050's. Something hard about them. These have always been my default OH mics. I can't really complain about them. They give a pretty good picture of what's going on. I may end up liking Beyer 930 more though. Those are definitely underrated for most everything.
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Post by mulmany on Nov 4, 2019 12:06:04 GMT -6
Never completely got along with my pair of AT4050's. Something hard about them. These have always been my default OH mics. I can't really complain about them. They give a pretty good picture of what's going on. I may end up liking Beyer 930 more though. Those are definitely underrated for most everything. Yes, they are good mics...just not special mics. I have been happier with my 3u MKIDs, Joly 012s, and Samar modified Vin-Jets then I ever was with my 4050s. They were the best all around mics that I could afford at the time. I started out with a pair of 4050s and a pair of Oktava 012s. Used them for years before selling to diversify the locker.
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Post by drumrec on Nov 4, 2019 12:14:01 GMT -6
Now, AKG C451s? I just can't get on with them on overheads They are pretty bright. But they can sound really good if you have some dark preamp. I run them through my old Neve 33115. Got many good results after that as overhead
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Post by johneppstein on Nov 4, 2019 14:13:12 GMT -6
Mics I don't like on overheads? Any? I realize I'm sounding like a broken record, but since switching to William Wittman's front of kit/side of kit with no overheads I found I don't have any of those problems anymore and still have very good balance between cymbals and toms.
Carry on!
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Post by drumrec on Nov 4, 2019 14:36:17 GMT -6
Mics I don't like on overheads? Any? I realize I'm sounding like a broken record, but since switching to William Wittman's front of kit/side of kit with no overheads I found I don't have any of those problems anymore and still have very good balance between cymbals and toms.
Carry on!
Yeee I know, sorry johneppstein I couldn't help 2 take those poor AKG451 in a little defense *smile*. Like u say....Carry on
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 13:13:44 GMT -6
451's. Can't stand them.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 5, 2019 21:59:06 GMT -6
451s were the OH mics for the Fleetwood Mac's Rumours record. Tape might help tame them.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 6, 2019 6:54:48 GMT -6
I guess it helps to describe what we mean by an OH mic. Working as an assistant in a big studio for many years with lots of different engineers, it’s pretty clear that there are many definitions.
XY over the kit Spaced Pair Mics just over the cymbals Super high pair of mics Glyn Johns
Etc
For me, I’ve never gotten on with SDC in any of those positions except maybe on the hat if the genre calls for it. I don’t generally mic the ride cymbal except if it’s a very particular jazz player that needs to pull a certain frequency out.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 6, 2019 8:34:48 GMT -6
451s were the OH mics for the Fleetwood Mac's Rumours record. Tape might help tame them. have some coke and a smile.....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 6, 2019 8:58:39 GMT -6
Curious if anyone's tried the Soyuz 0-13 as an overhead. I noticed Butch walker uses them for overheads. He also has a Chandler Redd and a Soyuz 0-17, so we have similar tastes.
This is long, but cool:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:12:24 GMT -6
451s were the OH mics for the Fleetwood Mac's Rumours record. Tape might help tame them. have some coke and a smile..... They probably filled the vents on the mic with cocaine. Really the best LPF.
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 6, 2019 21:39:50 GMT -6
Wasn't a huge fan of my RCA BK5B when I tried it on overhead....but some told me they have liked it. I think alot this (obviously) comes down to the kit/player/room.
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