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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 27, 2022 14:42:02 GMT -6
Chad has both. Maybe he can weigh in. Chad has both. Maybe he can weigh in. That would be quite interesting. Especially if he's used the FET with a tube mic amp, and the tube with a solid state mic amp..... Chad ?? mikec also has both, and may be able to weigh in. I PMd with him about the differences before I bought my 017FET version (it was called the 019 back then, but it's the same mic). I think the FET version is lovely, but admittedly, I would've gone with the tube version if I'd had the funds to do so at the time.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 27, 2022 18:12:11 GMT -6
IMHO for a melodic voice, on a Rocker... I'd use the FET. Tube has that (wonderful) "dreamy" vibe. Chris
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Post by Chad on Apr 27, 2022 20:40:39 GMT -6
I have only tested in headphones. Sorry!
The 017 FET sounds like a 50/50 blend between my 2017 U87Ai and my vintage circuit 1985 U87.
The 017 Tube feels more like a cross between a U47 low end and 251 top end.
But then again.... that’s me talking and monitoring at the same time.
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Post by paulcheeba on Apr 28, 2022 12:05:42 GMT -6
I have only tested in headphones. Sorry! The 017 FET sounds like a 50/50 blend between my 2017 U87Ai and my vintage circuit 1985 U87. The 017 Tube feels more like a cross between a U47 low end and 251 top end. But then again.... that’s me talking and monitoring at the same time. The 017 fet feels far more round but substantial than 87’s I believe and the tube is somewhere between a 67 and a 47. That’s my experience on monitoring. They both cut through a mix with no harsh qualities and yes the tube is dreamier. I’ve swapped tubes in mine so it’s not quite as bright either.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 28, 2022 14:36:55 GMT -6
I have only tested in headphones. Sorry! The 017 FET sounds like a 50/50 blend between my 2017 U87Ai and my vintage circuit 1985 U87. The 017 Tube feels more like a cross between a U47 low end and 251 top end. But then again.... that’s me talking and monitoring at the same time. The 017 fet feels far more round but substantial than 87’s I believe and the tube is somewhere between a 67 and a 47. That’s my experience on monitoring. They both cut through a mix with no harsh qualities and yes the tube is dreamier. I’ve swapped tubes in mine so it’s not quite as bright either. I don't have any direct experience with the tube version, but my experience with my FET version mirrors yours, Paul. My 017FET is "thicker" than U87s I've used. Sometimes that's welcome, sometimes not. And as I said earlier, it leads me to choose a different preamp than I might choose with a U87.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2022 15:00:03 GMT -6
I have only tested in headphones. Sorry! The 017 FET sounds like a 50/50 blend between my 2017 U87Ai and my vintage circuit 1985 U87. The 017 Tube feels more like a cross between a U47 low end and 251 top end. But then again.... that’s me talking and monitoring at the same time. The 017 fet feels far more round but substantial than 87’s I believe and the tube is somewhere between a 67 and a 47. That’s my experience on monitoring. They both cut through a mix with no harsh qualities and yes the tube is dreamier. I’ve swapped tubes in mine so it’s not quite as bright either. So - I just bought some $20 JAN 5654W's form Amazon of all places. Tried it in place of the Russian tube. Sounds really good and quiet - you're right, little darker, but I thought the bottom on the JAN was smaller too. Is that your experience?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2022 15:01:45 GMT -6
Just cut a female vocal with it, and I'm really pleased with it. No muss, no fuss. There was sibilance, but nothing that couldn't be tamed. I think she was creeping up on the mic at times. Extremely pleased with it so far.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 28, 2022 15:05:26 GMT -6
No experience with the tube versions, but just put up an 017fet, 013 cardioid, 013 omni, And a 451 in front of a D18 the other night. The 017 had some serious beef to it but a little 10k boost on the aws eq was a beautiful sound. Would be perfect for a sparse arrangement singer and guitar situation. 451 was super bright but would sit nicely in a very full production. I’m super happy with my 013 purchase especially having the Omni caps and it gave quite different flavors. Loving the Soyuz mics!
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 28, 2022 16:15:00 GMT -6
No experience with the tube versions, but just put up an 017fet, 013 cardioid, 013 omni, And a 451 in front of a D18 the other night. The 017 had some serious beef to it but a little 10k boost on the aws eq was a beautiful sound. Would be perfect for a sparse arrangement singer and guitar situation. 451 was super bright but would sit nicely in a very full production. I’m super happy with my 013 purchase especially having the Omni caps and it gave quite different flavors. Loving the Soyuz mics! Man, I really need to get the omni caps for my 013 pair. I'd really, really like to hear the difference. I'm always wondering how much of the low end "bloom" is proximity effect.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 28, 2022 16:18:00 GMT -6
Just cut a female vocal with it, and I'm really pleased with it. No muss, no fuss. There was sibilance, but nothing that couldn't be tamed. I think she was creeping up on the mic at times. Extremely pleased with it so far. My wife is not a singer, but I've recorded her for VO a few times, and the 017FET sounds better on her than anything else I've got. It does something really nice to the body of her speaking voice.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 28, 2022 19:04:37 GMT -6
Yeah no experience with them directly, but I've read Paul talk about on the other site how he often prefers the FET. It sounds like a true high-end workhorse.
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Post by paulcheeba on Apr 28, 2022 20:43:21 GMT -6
The 017 fet feels far more round but substantial than 87’s I believe and the tube is somewhere between a 67 and a 47. That’s my experience on monitoring. They both cut through a mix with no harsh qualities and yes the tube is dreamier. I’ve swapped tubes in mine so it’s not quite as bright either. So - I just bought some $20 JAN 5654W's form Amazon of all places. Tried it in place of the Russian tube. Sounds really good and quiet - you're right, little darker, but I thought the bottom on the JAN was smaller too. Is that your experience? I have GE5* version’s and I just prefer the sound. I just go through tubes by ear until I find a pair I’m most happy with. Sometimes there’s a sacrifice in the low end even with expensive Telefunkens, I go for the cream in the middle quite often as I can beef up lows and I like the smoother top.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 28, 2022 20:48:19 GMT -6
So - I just bought some $20 JAN 5654W's form Amazon of all places. Tried it in place of the Russian tube. Sounds really good and quiet - you're right, little darker, but I thought the bottom on the JAN was smaller too. Is that your experience? I have GE5* version’s and I just prefer the sound. I just go through tubes by ear until I find a pair I’m most happy with. Sometimes there’s a sacrifice in the low end even with expensive Telefunkens, I go for the cream in the middle quite often as I can beef up lows and I like the smoother top. Ahh. Didn’t even know they made them. I preferred a Mullard 12at7 over a GE 5* in my 251…I’ll reach out to Christian.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 29, 2022 18:13:30 GMT -6
Just cut some male vocals for an EP...and man, I couldn't be more happy. Freaking loving this thing.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 29, 2022 18:51:52 GMT -6
Soyuz microphones are pieces of art, beautifully made:
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Post by ml on Apr 30, 2022 19:24:34 GMT -6
Just cut some male vocals for an EP...and man, I couldn't be more happy. Freaking loving this thing. Stop you’re making me want to try one of these now!
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Post by srb on Apr 30, 2022 20:12:43 GMT -6
This ain't helpin' my GAS.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 21, 2022 21:55:56 GMT -6
I’ll pop in to say it’s the best vocal mic I’ve ever owned.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 21, 2022 22:21:42 GMT -6
I'm so glad for you John. People used to be skeptical of my early support of the Soyuz line, but I always felt they were a legitimate contender, not just a great for the money brand.
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Post by sirthought on May 22, 2022 0:49:09 GMT -6
I’ll pop in to say it’s the best vocal mic I’ve ever owned. Wow after all the stuff with the Upton and Heiserman? I'm still waiting for my Heiserman, but I'm beginning to wonder if I should cut bait.
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Post by hadaja on May 22, 2022 1:02:18 GMT -6
If it hasnt been a year waiting then thats not too bad. Upton took less time then my Heiserman. Upton is a very sweet mic.
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Post by stevenlmorgan on May 22, 2022 7:09:47 GMT -6
Although I have posted part of this comparison on a another forum, this is an all new and comprehensive set featuring 017 FET (not 017 Tube) vs 67 Reissue and C725, each through 1) Pueblo JR, 2) Pueblo JR to Coil 286 110, 3) Pueblo JR to Coil 70 and 4) Pueblo JR to Coil 286 110 to Coil 70. The 017 FET, whether with high quality SS preamp or high quality tube preamp, is stunning on female vocal. There is nuance between the mics and preamps, all down to preference. Annaleise makes them all sound spectacular, no plugs, no eq, zero editing, all vocal control from an amateur who told me she wrote a song and sent an iPhone video demo. FWIW, for the final lead vocal, I went with the 017 FET through Pueblo and Buzz SOC-M, for the harmony vocal, C725 through Pueblo and Buzz SOC-M. Lead Vocal Comparison: soundcloud.app.goo.gl/BZpEfyJbrTts2evq9Final Isolated Lead and Harmony Vocal with M7 soundcloud.app.goo.gl/AF7oTz6mrMh4Aw5c7
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Post by ml on May 22, 2022 16:27:52 GMT -6
I’ll pop in to say it’s the best vocal mic I’ve ever owned. How would you compare it to a u67?
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Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2022 17:32:02 GMT -6
I’ll pop in to say it’s the best vocal mic I’ve ever owned. Wow after all the stuff with the Upton and Heiserman? I'm still waiting for my Heiserman, but I'm beginning to wonder if I should cut bait. The Upton and Heiserman mics are fantastic. That wasn’t a comment towards them, just more of a comment that you be found something that matches me so well. They’re different sounding mics compared to this. The Heiserman sounds like a 47. Huge bottom. Voice of God type of thing. The 017 doesn’t do that so much. The Upton has a fantastic top and can be muscle-y with a different tube, but if you throw in a GE 5 Star it will give you a fantastic 251/C12 thing. The 017 doesn’t do that either. I’d say it’s like a modern sounding 67. Maybe not as mid forward as a vintage 67 but it lives on the same street. This one just fits my voice really well - and so far I’ve used it on another male and a female singer and loved it on both of them. If someone asked me what 47 to buy, I’d tell the the Heiserman. 251? The Upton. There’s an in-between where the Soyuz and Chandler mics live.
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