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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 19:11:26 GMT -6
How would you pan three violins and two violas?
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Post by M57 on Mar 20, 2019 19:47:07 GMT -6
How would you pan three violins and two violas? What's the genre? How independent are the parts? Need more info, but generally speaking, if it's contemporary/pop and the more dense the setting, then on the wider side. If more classical/chamber sounding and more intimate, then I'd keep them together (narrower) and in sections. At least that's how I would approach it ..then adjust the spread to taste.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 20:35:19 GMT -6
Well, I mean side to side...it's a rock song...they are kind've padding along in the last chorus. Think I'm going 40/20 L then 20/40 right in some manner
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 20, 2019 21:46:23 GMT -6
Are they all on separate tracks? If it's pad, go a little wide, if it's a distinct part put them all in an area together. Of course it depends on what else is in the mix. If there are two guitars, hard L&R, the strings can stay inside that arc, around the settings you posted.
I personally like to pan them as if I was looking at a string section of an orchestra. Each person a little to the side of the next in small panning increments.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 20, 2019 21:51:35 GMT -6
I wouldn't go too wide if they are separate tracks. Spread them a bit. Then send them to reverb and let the reverb be the width.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 20, 2019 22:00:59 GMT -6
Yes, Blackdawg, you're right, the reverb choice does help widen the strings in a way that maintains focus.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2019 22:33:14 GMT -6
Hence my issue. If it’s just violins and violas it would be all on the left if you went orchestra view...
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Post by popmann on Mar 20, 2019 22:49:45 GMT -6
I dont know....ive never NOT had cellos. I usually go violin and cello for a sparse thing. Them move to two violins and a cello before I bring in a viola section.
It has a lot to do with whwhere theres space....what the symmetry is without them....but, mostly i would think 9 oclock and 1oclock. Maybe pan (their sends into) the reverb a little to the right to provide some balance.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 21, 2019 1:33:23 GMT -6
Pan it
Viola - voilin - violin(center) - violin - Viola.
Not too wide. Then do the reverb and it'll fill out nicely.
It's a rock thing. To pan it like an orchestra. It's not an orchestra. Pan it to fit the tune.
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Post by matt@IAA on Mar 21, 2019 2:06:18 GMT -6
Pan it Viola - voilin - violin(center) - violin - Viola. Not too wide. Then do the reverb and it'll fill out nicely. It's a rock thing. To pan it like an orchestra. It's not an orchestra. Pan it to fit the tune. Or do the same except do Violin - violin - violin (lead) - viola - viola. The way you might pan a doubled rhythm guitar with a lead. The stereo contrast between violin and viola with a violin center may be cool vs the balanced stereo image blackdawg gives above.
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Post by hio on Mar 21, 2019 3:33:58 GMT -6
Classically trained here and anything goes especially in rock & roll. Knock your socks off or on. You are the painter and you have got canvas with or without the Gesso IMVHOOC (in my very humble opinion of course).
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Post by Ward on Mar 21, 2019 6:20:02 GMT -6
In Pro Tools readout 60L 30L 30R 60L Viola 1, Violin 1, Viola 2, Violin2.
I should have added that part, sorry.
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Post by Ward on Mar 21, 2019 6:20:24 GMT -6
And douse them in scads of reverberation
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Post by svart on Mar 21, 2019 6:41:47 GMT -6
I suppose my first question would be to ask: Are they are the same tracks done multiple times to "thicken", or are they multiple parts?
Second question would be to ask if they're part of the main melody, or supplementary to other instruments..
Those answers would determine my response, which would be that if they are multiples for thickening each instrument, I'd leave them panned close to one another and move the group slightly to one side, and the other group done slightly to the other side. Maybe Violas Left at 20%, 30%, 40% and violins Right at 20%, 30%, 40%..
If each track is multiple parts, maybe leave them layered on top of each other and just pan the group slightly to the sides of center and add a little ambience.
Or if they're just supplementary, pan them all LCR as a bed for the rest of the instruments.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2019 7:36:54 GMT -6
John, are there any examples of what you'd like it to sound like that you can find on youtube?
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 21, 2019 19:17:46 GMT -6
I had to do that once.... Violins and Violas...... I ended up stacking them and putting them in a room, kind of sounded like a vocal harmony.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 19:53:49 GMT -6
Agree with Jerome, it's fine recording a full ensemble and filling the entire spectrum but out of context you're better off layering them (unless there's lead parts of course).
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2019 20:17:33 GMT -6
Jerome said what I was trying to say, only better. That's exactly how I deal with strings most of the time.
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