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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 21, 2019 14:35:36 GMT -6
With the talk about the Dangerous AD...would you not want to go with the DA before? If you can't hear what it's doing, it won't make much difference. Well you still have the benefit of the new apolloX converters and the sound of the + would printed if you made a print track in your daw? |
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 21, 2019 15:22:06 GMT -6
With the talk about the Dangerous AD...would you not want to go with the DA before? If you can't hear what it's doing, it won't make much difference. gave a beautiful gift to this whole community when he lobbed the Pro-ject S2 to us. At $399 it's incredible how many people dismiss it. I couldn't even get a pro audio store manger to try one because of the freaking price! I shot it out against the Dangerous D/A which I thought was the best sounding one in their rack (they had a lot and none were under $2k) and even that Dangerous D/A couldn't touch that little $399 box. |
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Post by svart on Mar 21, 2019 15:48:00 GMT -6
With the talk about the Dangerous AD...would you not want to go with the DA before? If you can't hear what it's doing, it won't make much difference. gave a beautiful gift to this whole community when he lobbed the Pro-ject S2 to us. At $399 it's incredible how many people dismiss it. I couldn't even get a pro audio store manger to try one because of the freaking price! I shot it out against the Dangerous D/A which I thought was the best sounding one in their rack (they had a lot and none were under $2k) and even that Dangerous D/A couldn't touch that little $399 box. Same happened for my converters. A distributor wouldn't even touch it unless I at least doubled the price and added some features just for marketing purposes. |
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Post by Guitar on Mar 21, 2019 16:14:14 GMT -6
I didn't like the Pro Ject box at all...
Got pissed and sent it back
I use the Topping DX7S which is much more to my liking...
Jim Williams tried it and he is pissed, trying to sell it
I guess that's a difference of opinion
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2019 16:24:19 GMT -6
Thanks for all the sage advice and helpful suggestions guys. Now I'll get to work on making some more money to afford any of these tasty treats.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 21, 2019 16:37:48 GMT -6
Or maybe better monitors lol
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 21, 2019 17:29:49 GMT -6
Just buy Jerome’s focals!!( he didn’t pay me (much) to say that !!  |
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 21, 2019 19:12:44 GMT -6
Lol yeah...... I didn't know you didn't have any monitors..... Hell of a deal, I paid $1,500 for them and I'm selling them for $1,100, mint, original boxes all of it. They look completely brand new, could be resold as open box or even brand new sheesh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 19:51:23 GMT -6
@martin
You've got the Apollo right? Stick the 610-B and an LA-2A on a track and hit record.! Plus yeah, monitors / treatment first.!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2019 20:25:59 GMT -6
Shadowland, I have the UAD 1073 and Helios plug-ins as well as the 610B. I never really fell for the UAD LA2A even though I use it plenty of times. I have the Stam Audio SA73 with the Sowters, and it really does feel like the Neve does. I also have the Dizengoff D4 ( EMI/Abbey Road style) preamp now, so I rarely use plug-in pres, but do on occasion. I haven't had a chance to track with the new Apollo yet, but I'm really looking forward to seeing just how different it is to the previous generation.
I'm probably going to get the Kali Audio LP6 for now. Il upgrade later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 20:52:52 GMT -6
Shadowland, I have the UAD 1073 and Helios plug-ins as well as the 610B. I never really fell for the UAD LA2A even though I use it plenty of times. I have the Stam Audio SA73 with the Sowters, and it really does feel like the Neve does. I also have the Dizengoff D4 ( EMI/Abbey Road style) preamp now, so I rarely use plug-in pres, but do on occasion. I haven't had a chance to track with the new Apollo yet, but I'm really looking forward to seeing just how different it is to the previous generation. I'm probably going to get the Kali Audio LP6 for now. Il upgrade later. Martin James, it's v. good.. I've had the Apollo for six months or so now, about to post a review shortly. It's your money and your decision of course but just a tip of advice if I may. Any upgrade is a waste of money, get it right first time and keep it forever (unless you're an equipment collector of course). I might buy the odd piece because I feel like it but apart from that I'm set for many, many years to come. The Apollo X6 is a good choice, it stops me from trying to fill up my entire rack for no reason at all  ..! P.S Only saying this because I wasted a shed ton of money doing swap out upgrades, I finally spent 8 months researching and getting exactly what I needed. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 21, 2019 22:04:15 GMT -6
I agree that buying it right the first time is a good policy. Unfortunately, I haven't had a the lifetime of audio engineering experience some of the cats here have had, so I'm still learning what I like as I go. I do have quite a bit of recording experience though, so I've learned to trust my ears.
One example, I'm pretty sure I don't love API preamps for tracking. I know the common wisdom used to be track API, mix SSL, but so far, I prefer Neve preamps or my Dizengoff D4 (REDD/Abbey Road) pre or even SSL's preamps.
I listened to the link Guitfiddler sent (page 3), and really liked what the Neve 542 tape sims did, especially with the transformers on, and the Wes Audio Dione compressor. So that's on my radar now too. It'll take me some time to figure out which pieces of gear will get me where I want. Like Jerome did, it may take me a while too. Besides, I need time to make more money to support this habit anyway ;-)
I had to sell most of my outboard last year for medical bills, so in a way, I'm starting over again. I hope to do it better this time. I did manage to cobble together my album with limited gear though, I just think I can do better with 5-10 G's more worth of well chosen pieces. Relative to what a vintage sound board or a vintage mic costs, that's not asking too much I don't think.
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Post by keymod on Mar 22, 2019 3:40:06 GMT -6
This is the transformer I'll be working with next week. I wonder if it'll work with audio? LOL Attachments:
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Post by mulmany on Mar 22, 2019 4:15:53 GMT -6
This is the transformer I'll be working with next week. I wonder if it'll work with audio? LOL It will be great! Nice low-end warmth! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2019 14:40:27 GMT -6
So, I strapped my wa273eq across my 2 bus using the inserts, post pre but hits eq and output trannies( carnhills), oh man , sounds great!
Funny I just sold my Kush Electra to free up some dough, and won’t be missing it at all.
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Post by Quint on Mar 22, 2019 17:02:51 GMT -6
So, I strapped my wa273eq across my 2 bus using the inserts, post pre but hits eq and output trannies( carnhills), oh man , sounds great! Funny I just sold my Kush Electra to free up some dough, and won’t be missing it at all. You might not be missing the Electra "yet".... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 22, 2019 17:08:50 GMT -6
Yes that’s faircthe Electra has a nice finesse!
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Post by Quint on Mar 22, 2019 17:16:27 GMT -6
Yes that’s faircthe Electra has a nice finesse! Do you track drums? That's the biggest reason I would miss the Electras. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 18:00:47 GMT -6
I agree that buying it right the first time is a good policy. Unfortunately, I haven't had a the lifetime of audio engineering experience some of the cats here have had, so I'm still learning what I like as I go. I do have quite a bit of recording experience though, so I've learned to trust my ears. One example, I'm pretty sure I don't love API preamps for tracking. I know the common wisdom used to be track API, mix SSL, but so far, I prefer Neve preamps or my Dizengoff D4 (REDD/Abbey Road) pre or even SSL's preamps. I listened to the link Guitfiddler sent (page 3), and really liked what the Neve 542 tape sims did, especially with the transformers on, and the Wes Audio Dione compressor. So that's on my radar now too. It'll take me some time to figure out which pieces of gear will get me where I want. Like Jerome did, it may take me a while too. Besides, I need time to make more money to support this habit anyway ;-) I had to sell most of my outboard last year for medical bills, so in a way, I'm starting over again. I hope to do it better this time. I did manage to cobble together my album with limited gear though, I just think I can do better with 5-10 G's more worth of well chosen pieces. Relative to what a vintage sound board or a vintage mic costs, that's not asking too much I don't think. I hope you're feeling better. Simply put though there's a few essentials one never skips on, room treatment / room and monitors. Anyone of even limited experience knows if you receive inaccurate results your entire chain means nothing, then we have mic's which need to be of decent quality (or you get rubbish you can't get rid of / too much EQ) but beyond that it's preference. Finally you need something to record with (Interface / DAW), again something of decent quality down to one's own preference. The rest? Well that's a mixed bag IME. I've heard many stunning tracks come from nothing but an Apollo and some UAD plugs or a Focusrite w/ some mid ranged ribbon mic's + plugs, I've also heard utter crap come from SSL 4K's and Neve desks with racks of outboard (and everything in between / vice versa). So if it's "pro quality" you're looking for, that's generally down to skill with todays equipment. If you're looking to record / mix with a specific signature for your own personal enjoyment, then of course you throw money at it over many years until your sound is found. Of course we are just chinwagging here, what boutique pre-amp someone buy's has zero bearing on most.. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 22, 2019 19:38:28 GMT -6
Skill level is a good point Zarconis. With what I already have, I think a better engineer than me could do quite well with it. I fiddle around until I hear what I like when using plug-ins and gear, but there's no substitute for really knowing your way around your gear or plug-ins too. A few years ago when I was first getting acquainted with digital recording, (I'd left the music business for a long time), my friend the great engineer Jay Messina stopped by and looked at my DAW, and eliminated 95% of my plug-ins. It's taken me 3 years to get a handle on how to use analogue and plug-ins judiciously. But still, there's a kind of muscle I'd like to have when recording and mixing, and it seems I'll need something like the Dangerous Convert A-D or the Neve tape sim/ Wes Audio Dione combo, or maybe a small board to get what I want. One thing I was sure to do was get good mics to record with. My motto is "Mic's First" when it comes to recording. You can take a great mic through a modest interface and still sound really good, but you can't use a great interface to make a shitty mic sound great. On my recent album, I used the Blackspade UM-17B and UM-17R, the Soyuz 0-17 and 0-19 and Neumann KM-84's. Here's a link to a sample of tracks, take a listen, see what you think. All done on my Apollo in my noisy NYC living room, with an assist from what I call the Real Gear All Stars, cowboycoalminer, M57, Henge. Kcat was a big help lending an ear all along the way. store.cdbaby.com/cd/martinjohnbutler12 (* this link to CD Baby has the final mastered tracks). www.martinjohnbutler.com/music (click on the Soundcloud playlist) Those tracks weren't mastered yet. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 22, 2019 20:08:03 GMT -6
Strap two of these suckers on your buss! Now that’s some iron!!! 100,000 KV’s baby!!! Lol  |
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Post by craigmorris74 on Mar 22, 2019 21:15:12 GMT -6
With the talk about the Dangerous AD...would you not want to go with the DA before? If you can't hear what it's doing, it won't make much difference. gave a beautiful gift to this whole community when he lobbed the Pro-ject S2 to us. At $399 it's incredible how many people dismiss it. I couldn't even get a pro audio store manger to try one because of the freaking price! I shot it out against the Dangerous D/A which I thought was the best sounding one in their rack (they had a lot and none were under $2k) and even that Dangerous D/A couldn't touch that little $399 box. What is the Pro-ject S2? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 21:21:40 GMT -6
Skill level is a good point Zarconis. With what I already have, I think a better engineer than me could do quite well with it. I fiddle around until I hear what I like when using plug-ins and gear, but there's no substitute for really knowing your way around your gear or plug-ins too. A few years ago when I was first getting acquainted with digital recording, (I'd left the music business for a long time), my friend the great engineer Jay Messina stopped by and looked at my DAW, and eliminated 95% of my plug-ins. It's taken me 3 years to get a handle on how to use analogue and plug-ins judiciously. On my recent album, I used the Blackspade UM-17B and UM-17R, the Soyuz 0-17 and 0-19 and Neumann KM-84's. Here's a link to a sample of tracks, take a listen, see what you think. All done on my Apollo in my noisy NYC living room, with an assist from what I call the Real Gear All Stars, cowboycoalminer, M57, Henge. Kcat was a big help lending an ear all along the way. store.cdbaby.com/cd/martinjohnbutler12 (* this link to CD Baby has the final mastered tracks). www.martinjohnbutler.com/music (click on the Soundcloud playlist) Those tracks weren't mastered yet. You have got some talent my friend, great singing.! Not just saying that, it's nice to be able to compliment. The mix? I gotta be straight here, there's a hefty lack of clarity yet a hard edge to everything. That hard edge really kicks in with the vocals. I listened to a track the other day that had the exact opposite issue. The mix / master was clear, wide, punchy, smooth and just excellent sounding but the singer had obviously never heard the words pitch, timing or timbre. I'd rather be in your situation than there's, anyway not to trying to brow beat or say anything for a side purpose. I prefer to be straight and offer assistance, if you find yourself wanting any I'm more than happy to help out.! Just send me a PM. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 22, 2019 21:37:21 GMT -6
Sounds great to me, whatever you’re doing keep it up.
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Post by NoTomorrow on Mar 22, 2019 21:41:11 GMT -6
Great tunes Martin...... good writing and instrumentation
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