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Post by geoff738 on Feb 23, 2014 10:34:35 GMT -6
Well? How much of the time do you actually mix with headphones? Do you always at least check the mix with heaphones? If so are you looking for certain things?
I just picked up a pair of the new Focals. My 240s died, so I picked these up as a replacement. I don't generally mix with headphones (partly because we've been told for years - mixing with headphones is bad), but I'm a guy in a basement with a kid sleeping upstairs, so, sometimes I have to. I'm hoping they prove reasonably accurate in the (very) low end - I don't have a sub - and so far the mids seem pretty revealing, but I haven't even gotten to a/b'ing them with my monitors yet. So, early days with them.
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by mobeach on Feb 23, 2014 10:52:21 GMT -6
I'd listen to your songs using different sources before you publish anything. Home/car stereos, cheap boom boxes etc to get a good idea of what it actually sounds like.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 11:51:04 GMT -6
Well, i use headphones for things like editing and recording, and try to avoid them in mixing situation. That said, i use diffuse field equalized headphones that i'm used to for a very long time (Sennheiser HD250 linear and linear II). But normally i need to mix the final with monitors, otherwise i do not get the stereo field and the final balances right. But for judging bass and sub bass i like using headphones to cross check for problems that i am not sure about with the monitors... You may try this software for headphone mixing, it is free! Btw., i read about this in the study paper of the guy who wrote it, and it is a serious piece of work and seems usable: Beyerdynamic Virtual Studio |
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Post by scumbum on Aug 28, 2014 14:47:26 GMT -6
I found this article about Mixing on Headphones , www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/articles/mixingheadphones.htmI'm gonna start mixing on headphones and see how I do . In the article he said he can get 95% there but still needs to check on speakers every now and then . Thats what I'm gonna try . Worrying about the damn room acoustics , getting super high end expensive speakers placed perfectly.....pain in the arse.. I have Sennheiser HD 280 headphones and they sound pretty damn good . I can hear everything my room and speakers are hiding . I'm still going to reference my NS10's and other speakers to hear the bass and vocal levels , but EQing and compressing seeming to be so much easier on headphones when you can hear every last detail . |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 28, 2014 16:57:48 GMT -6
I found this article about Mixing on Headphones , www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/articles/mixingheadphones.htmI'm gonna start mixing on headphones and see how I do . In the article he said he can get 95% there but still needs to check on speakers every now and then . Thats what I'm gonna try . Worrying about the damn room acoustics , getting super high end expensive speakers placed perfectly.....pain in the arse.. I have Sennheiser HD 280 headphones and they sound pretty damn good . I can hear everything my room and speakers are hiding . I'm still going to reference my NS10's and other speakers to hear the bass and vocal levels , but EQing and compressing seeming to be so much easier on headphones when you can hear every last detail . It can't hurt to try. The only rule is that there are no rules. My man mobeach uses a 3630 to get a sound he's happy with. If that can be done, anything can be done. Haha. |
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Post by mobeach on Aug 28, 2014 17:48:38 GMT -6
I started a similar thread on a "different" site a couple years ago, I felt like a Sopwith Camel being flamed by a dozen ME-109's. And this was after I mentioned I didn't have the cash for proper room dressings.
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Post by ElGato on Aug 29, 2014 18:26:49 GMT -6
My ears hurt when I use cans for long periods but I think it's doable. I know a guy who hasn't got any monitors and his mixes are not bad at all. I know some pro engineers (mix and master) use them to final check the low end. You have to know your cans well, as you should know your monitors.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 30, 2014 16:31:33 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 30, 2014 19:24:06 GMT -6
If your mixing for headphones you can get away with it, but
Your mixes maybe problematic on speakers, it's not just panning, but things that sit right in the isolation of cans often get lost out in the room.
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Post by scumbum on Aug 31, 2014 12:45:09 GMT -6
Its only $69 . Its maybe worth a try . I read around though and it seems to get mixed reviews . |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 31, 2014 14:20:53 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 31, 2014 15:19:23 GMT -6
3 pairs of the older ones here! Love the Grados, if I didn't have the Stax Electrostatics I would say they are the best headphones ever! I just wish they had an enclosed version. Other than the deaf, I mean drummers everyone who has put a pair on here has bought a pair! |
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Post by wiz on Aug 31, 2014 16:10:27 GMT -6
4500!!!! for a pair of headphones?  aye karumba 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by ericn on Aug 31, 2014 16:25:45 GMT -6
4500!!!! for a pair of headphones? aye karumba 8) cheers Wiz We use the much much cheaper ones! |
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Post by wiz on Aug 31, 2014 16:47:28 GMT -6
4500!!!! for a pair of headphones? aye karumba 8) cheers Wiz We use the much much cheaper ones! 8) i was just imagining, and envying the clients you have ... who walk in, pop on some headphones,.. and go, cool... how much.. you say.. .only 4500 and they say "I'll take 'em" 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by mobeach on Aug 31, 2014 17:14:10 GMT -6
Are they really worth it?
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Post by ericn on Aug 31, 2014 19:12:33 GMT -6
We use the much much cheaper ones! 8) i was just imagining, and envying the clients you have ... who walk in, pop on some headphones,.. and go, cool... how much.. you say.. .only 4500 and they say "I'll take 'em" 8) cheers Wiz I have heard them and if one has unlimited funds for the say 2 % improvement over the $100 ones I own 3 of sure, but if that's the case Id rather a Mclearen P1! |
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Post by ericn on Aug 31, 2014 19:14:12 GMT -6
Are they really worth it? I would spend that kind of Coin on Stax before Grado! |
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Post by mobeach on Sept 1, 2014 6:39:00 GMT -6
For that kind of money every component needs to be replaceable.
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Post by jimwilliams on Sept 1, 2014 10:17:12 GMT -6
Headphones are a necessary tool for mixing. It's very rare to find a super accurate room response, then you move your head 3 inches and that response changes, again.
Headphones are your "gut check". Nothing better for setting reverb return balance and other stereo chores. It does help to have a super accurate headphone amp and cans you know and trust. I still use Sony V6's, to know them is to love them.
Since most music is now listened to through ear buds, not speakers, it's horse sense to review a mix through the choosen delivery system of the masses...
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Post by mobeach on Sept 1, 2014 12:36:44 GMT -6
I have Sennheiser HD-280 pro's and AKG K-240's, but generally I do everything with my KRK monitors.
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Post by donr on Sept 1, 2014 13:55:20 GMT -6
Its only $69 . Its maybe worth a try . I read around though and it seems to get mixed reviews . I downloaded the demo of the redline, it's different than just headphones, but it doesn't offer room ambience. Still liking the beyerdynamic plug-in, which is convenient because it's easy to turn on and off to check your mix from another perspective. north-america.beyerdynamic.com/virtual-studio/ |
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Post by donr on Sept 1, 2014 14:59:16 GMT -6
If some acoustics and coding boffins were to really go to town on this concept, creating a virtual mix room with a few reference monitors that you could use with headphones to 'get' that environment to listen and work in, I'd be willing to pay some $ for it, and I bet others would too. Given all the music done in bedrooms and basements today, this could be a must have plug-in, a no-brainer from a business standpoint.
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Post by scumbum on Sept 1, 2014 16:04:12 GMT -6
Its only $69 . Its maybe worth a try . I read around though and it seems to get mixed reviews . I downloaded the demo of the redline, it's different than just headphones, but it doesn't offer room ambience. Still liking the beyerdynamic plug-in, which is convenient because it's easy to turn on and off to check your mix from another perspective. north-america.beyerdynamic.com/virtual-studio/Heres a video testing out the Beyerdynamic Virtual Studio . |
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Post by scumbum on Sept 1, 2014 16:25:41 GMT -6
I know its all preference and ericn likes them , so they work good for him.......But I tried the Grado SR80 and I actually didn't like them...Ha ! I tested them using the headphone output on my Digi 002r , so maybe its the wrong impedance or they need a more powerful headphone amp ??....I don't know . They were uncomfortable to wear and to me didn't sound that good . I like the Sennheiser HD280 Pro , they sound way better to me . Crystal clear , more open and deeper better bass . The Sennheisers sound like flat studio monitors to me and the Grado SR80's are like a colored high end stereo in your car or living room . Online everyone seems to love the Grado's , but I prefer Sennheiser . The HD650's are supposed to be the best for mixing , so maybe the HD280's are the lower end version ?? I don't know , I've never heard the HD650's . But the HD280's do get mixed reviews it seems , so its really all preference like studio monitors . For every guy that likes NS10's you'll get another guy that hates them . |
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