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Post by theshea on Feb 2, 2019 5:26:44 GMT -6
Boy! Does this sound good to me! Really compressed and modern but still with a classy 70‘s classy style touch. Love the snare, love the vocals. So much room for everything. Vocal is crystal clear modern, how would you approach mixing that one?
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Post by sirthought on Feb 2, 2019 6:21:10 GMT -6
Beatriz Artola produced and mixed it with Ryan. Grammy winner for album of the year there (Adele 21). She's worked on a bunch of top artists' albums including Fleet Foxes and Kendrick Lamar.
Doesn't tell you how to get that sound, but maybe someone knows what studio she works in. One photo I see she is sitting on a large racked space filled with several LA2As, Distressors, etc.
He has a lovely reverb on the vocal that really makes it fill out the sound. The playing is really reserved, which helps with the space.
That's John Mayer playing the guitar solo.
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Post by theshea on Feb 2, 2019 6:33:51 GMT -6
great! any info on the recording/mixing welcome - not just about the vocal.
... couldn't care less about that john mayer solo! :-)
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Post by yotonic on Feb 2, 2019 10:40:54 GMT -6
I'm not so sure I would call this 70s style. It reminds me more of Ray Lamontagne's shift to a more compressed and contemporary radio-style mix when he worked with Ryan Freeland on God Willin' and the Creek Don't Rise. Everything was more compressed and borrowing from what people are hearing in popular production.
Both Ray and Ryan Adams have been known for more stripped down productions. This song still has a lot of traditional Ryan Adams arrangement schemes but everything is a little more "sound designed". The kick and snare are his familiar sounds but more compressed and flat with a little more hardness to the EQ. The bass sounds almost like a keyboard patch. If I had to sum it up it feels less organic and slightly more "produced" in a pop radio sense. He probably knows what he's doing but I prefer his less compressed or acoustic aesthetic. (I know he has always used compressors). "Do I wait", "Come Pick Me Up", "To Be Without You" are some of my favorite tracks by him. Play one of those tracks by him and toggle back to "Fuck The Rain" and the difference is quite noticeable.
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Post by theshea on Feb 2, 2019 11:25:37 GMT -6
yeah i know there's big difference. i love "come pick me up" but i do love this new sound as well. this is sounddesign for shure. a decision made by himself to be more current sounding but still it feels llike 70s sound to me, just obviously more compressed. but the drums are 70s to me and also the vocal reverb. i would really describe it as an updated 70s sound.
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Post by mhbunch on Feb 2, 2019 11:37:10 GMT -6
Really? Drums don’t sound “70s” at all to me. Great guitar and vocal sounds on this production.
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Post by drbill on Feb 2, 2019 11:44:12 GMT -6
Really? Drums don’t sound “70s” at all to me. Great guitar and vocal sounds on this production. Drums sound 2018 to me. Personally....I hate the snare sound. The rest of the production sounds good - esp the acoustics, and it's a personal beef that I've got with current drum sounds....
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Post by theshea on Feb 2, 2019 12:35:23 GMT -6
Really? Drums don’t sound “70s” at all to me. Great guitar and vocal sounds on this production. maybe it's my erratic categorisation, but those fat snares to me always do sound like the 70's. eg The Eagles "I can't tell you why". but yeah. the kick is verrry modern. the vocal: sounds like hard work at the mixing stages. automation, dynamic eq, comps, de-essing ... to clean it up like it is.
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Post by yotonic on Feb 2, 2019 12:48:45 GMT -6
The "drum arrangement" has sort of a 70s aesthetic where you can hear the fat beater on the kick and the snare. A lot of Artists who used "The Section" back in California in the 70s had a certain style to their drums like that. James Taylor, Linda Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, Carly Simon etc...
I love the way Ryan Adam's features drums in his records, he definitely has a great aesthetic. And I read his buddy Johnny T. Yerington who he jams with a lot is responsible for a lot of those grooves.
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Post by M57 on Feb 2, 2019 13:10:07 GMT -6
I have to admit, I'm not a huge fan of this mix. It's too loud - everything seems over-compressed and blooms too much ..for instance the bass. The snare sounds too much like a sample. There's just not enough "real" going on for me. And the space is filled with ..well, fake space. Come to think of it, I'm not a huge fan of this mix because even though it's twenty times better than mine - it reminds me of all the things I don't like about my mixes - which now that I think about it, is actually making me feel a teeny bit better about my mixes.
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Post by jeromemason on Feb 2, 2019 13:22:25 GMT -6
Sound like a 33609 strapped across the drum buss to me.... Guitars are 12 string so not AS much has went into polishing them as you'd think, drums are a bit dry which may be why you felt it was "70's" or maybe dead in a space sense. One thing I've always noticed about girls is they're really good at coming up with super impressive reverb ideas. Anytime I mix for a girl, which is about 80% of the time these days, which is great too, is that they are really into the space around the vocal and they always want you to go wild there. Mixing guys, they want it dry with a little space behind it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 2, 2019 13:23:55 GMT -6
Love Ryan, hate the snare. Reverb's a bit too obvious. He's been around a long time making records. So perhaps he just wanted to work with someone new. On his Rock album in 2014 his song Feels Like Fire is a really distorted crappy mix. I don't know what they were thinking, but when that chorus hits, nothing can take away from Adam's brilliance. So, it's happened before.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 2, 2019 13:53:31 GMT -6
Sounds good to me. Just a new direction I guess. Anything that's different than that 80's chorus'ed out guitar thing he had going for a while sounds great to me.
I'm not so sure the vocal is as processed as you guys think it is. He has impeccable mic technique. The type of dude that can rule the roost with a single mic on his guitar and vocal.
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Post by donr on Feb 2, 2019 14:42:53 GMT -6
I like this song, except when he says "Fuck..." To my ear, it sticks out like a smelly fart. But I guess for a lot of people, that's the hook.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2019 19:41:48 GMT -6
The vocal verb...is a lot. Love RA, but this is kind of boring to me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 2, 2019 21:40:42 GMT -6
Doesn't do it for me at all, and I'm probably into modern stuff more than anyone here.
Here's one I think is FANTASTIC. Great modern mix.
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Post by ragan on Feb 3, 2019 0:09:28 GMT -6
Yeah I find it to be a boring song. Just doesn't really go anywhere or say anything, for me at least. And I'm with Don, the "fuck" just feels sort of pasted on and cheap.
I like lots of Ryan Adams stuff but this feels phoned in.
Entirely subjective of course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 0:50:19 GMT -6
didn't take a listen (maybe it's a metaphor), but personally i love rain : the sound, the air, the feeling..
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Post by jtc111 on Feb 3, 2019 1:28:29 GMT -6
Doesn't do it for me at all, and I'm probably into modern stuff more than anyone here. Here's one I think is FANTASTIC. Great modern mix. That is one of my favorite albums of all time. I love everything about it, the production, the mix, the songwriting ...there's nothing I can point to and say "I don't like that bit." There have been times where I've played it in the car for entire weeks.
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Post by theshea on Feb 3, 2019 1:35:49 GMT -6
it's actually raining and i am sitting in my kitchen looking out the window into the foggy sky and i tell ya ... the song is working! :-) has created a very mellow melancholic feeling ;-) she, the mixer, is certainly from the modern/today school of mixer. where everything has to be clear, processed/compressed and somewhat constructed. but to my ears, it's exactly in this context that a voice like ryans works great as a contrast.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 4:37:24 GMT -6
Could only last 50 seconds, far too middle of the road for me, not my cuppa at all!
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Post by bigbone on Feb 3, 2019 12:06:22 GMT -6
maybe it's my erratic categorisation, but those fat snares to me always do sound like the 70's. eg The Eagles "I can't tell you why". but yeah. the kick is verrry modern. That snare sound is more like " The beatles '' with the towels on the snare Fleetwood Mac was more tune low snare that the Towels one. there is a huge difference in the sound....... But love the overall sound and feel on that song.
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Post by drbill on Feb 3, 2019 12:31:29 GMT -6
Really? Drums don’t sound “70s” at all to me. Great guitar and vocal sounds on this production. the kick is verrry modern. . Sample replacement will get that for ya. That and a wad of compression. Doesn't sound like a "kit" played by a human to me anymore though. Half drum machine. Or maybe 3/4 drum machine. Could be 100% machine. Didn't listen all the way. But yeah, it's modern. No doubt. Does it enable the song and help it breath and be more emotional? I know the answer for me. It's probably different for you.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Feb 3, 2019 15:29:41 GMT -6
Boring, No vibe, Drums sound like a lifeless machine. And if they're not.....then that's pretty sad! But what do I know?
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Post by ericn on Feb 4, 2019 16:45:34 GMT -6
Doesn't do it for me at all, and I'm probably into modern stuff more than anyone here. Here's one I think is FANTASTIC. Great modern mix. Like the song mix is OK, but the lip sync is terrible on that video.
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