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Post by drbill on Dec 25, 2018 14:48:35 GMT -6
I've got a dozen EQ's I hardly use. I'm curious how much difference another EQ can make. I have almost every Waves EQ, (I used to like the SSL a little) Apple's API and Pultec's are OK, as are UAD's. I have Eventide's Ultra Channel, Newfangled Equivocate, Soundtoys Sie EQ, I bought Elysia's EQ a long time ago and still can't figure out how to use it. I pretty much just use Logic's channel EQ, High Pass a little and on rare occasions, scoop out a particularly nasty spot on a lead vocal. What differences do you guys think the Chop Shop would make? I'm open to trying new things. Chop Shop is completely different than 95% of other EQ's. It's a resonant filter HPF / LPF EQ with a Tilt Filter EQ. Not a parametric or pultec style EQ. Kind of the "anti-parametric" EQ.  |
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Post by drbill on Dec 25, 2018 14:53:30 GMT -6
PS - it has resonant filters, which most EQ's don't, but which most synths DO have. So at the hi pass filter cutoff freq, you can get an adjustable "bump" - which can completely clear out the extreme LF sludge, but actually put a subtle to extreme bump the cutoff freq - say 40 Hz - and make your kick drum sound freaking HUGE - all the while getting rid of all the extreme LF stuff that robs your headroom. Same thing (although a bit less flexible) on the HF. The MixTV video demo gives a great example of this. Cutting low end, and yet making the low end huger. Quite a trick. And then....there's lowrider mode. |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 25, 2018 14:55:48 GMT -6
I've got a dozen EQ's I hardly use. I'm curious how much difference another EQ can make. I have almost every Waves EQ, (I used to like the SSL a little) Apple's API and Pultec's are OK, as are UAD's. I have Eventide's Ultra Channel, Newfangled Equivocate, Soundtoys Sie EQ, I bought Elysia's EQ a long time ago and still can't figure out how to use it. I pretty much just use Logic's channel EQ, High Pass a little and on rare occasions, scoop out a particularly nasty spot on a lead vocal. What differences do you guys think the Chop Shop would make? I'm open to trying new things. That's funny, you just named some of my favorite plugins haha However, I do agree that it almost doesn't matter what you use at some point. You might as well just use the most basic stock EQ available like you said. I vacillate between caring and not caring about specific gear all the time. I think both are noble pursuits. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 25, 2018 16:35:20 GMT -6
viciousbliss said, "If you’re talking about the Museq, try the lead vocal preset. For me, it’s become pretty essential". Thanks for the tip, I'l take a listen next time around.
and also said, "The biggest problem with the Elysia is the GUI. Not intuitive at all".
The GUI on the Elysia EQ is exactly why I don't use it, it's so awkward. If you don't use it all the time you have to read the manual or watch a video again to figure it out. By the time I do that, I'd rather just use something else.
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Post by mulmany on Dec 25, 2018 20:56:16 GMT -6
Purchased... I love my HW Chopshops, but don't have enough for mixing. They are just simple, which makes them fast and easy.
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Post by drsax on Dec 25, 2018 21:23:16 GMT -6
Bought it today before even trying. That’s how much I believe in Brad’s ear for useful gear. Everything I’ve ever used that Brad makes is a slam dunk. Looking forward to getting it installed and using it tomorrow.
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Post by 000 on Dec 25, 2018 22:40:23 GMT -6
Definitely an exciting step for the company - and Brad’s designs definitely all seem to rule ( wish I had like 6 more Kush Electras). I’ve been looking at the ltl stuff lately, and I guess I always saw them as sort of anti-software.. This makes sense as a clean utility piece- but something like a silver bullet or chroma just seem paradoxical in plugin format.
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Post by BradM on Dec 26, 2018 0:53:02 GMT -6
Definitely an exciting step for the company - and Brad’s designs definitely all seem to rule ( wish I had like 6 more Kush Electras). I’ve been looking at the ltl stuff lately, and I guess I always saw them as sort of anti-software.. This makes sense as a clean utility piece- but something like a silver bullet or chroma just seem paradoxical in plugin format. Thanks for the love, guys (and drsax). I really appreciate it. I'm intrigued by your perception of my company as anti-software. Could you elaborate? I've always viewed my brand as pro-hybrid. It's practically 2020 so I just assume that most of us are integrating hardware and software in some fashion. I've personally been recording to a DAW since 1998. I like to think that my products are purposefully trying to facilitate these types of workflow rather than just creating stuff that simply co-exist. It seems like many companies make tools for ITB workflows, or they make tools for traditional analog workflows. It would be great to see more companies trying to innovate for hybrid studios making the best of both worlds. I'm genuinely curious what you mean by it being paradoxical. cheers, Brad |
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Post by nudwig on Dec 26, 2018 1:14:15 GMT -6
My view has been LTL is the secret sauce/engineer's engineer company. Solid amazing results quickly and without fuss.
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Post by M57 on Dec 26, 2018 4:59:36 GMT -6
Definitely an exciting step for the company - and Brad’s designs definitely all seem to rule ( wish I had like 6 more Kush Electras). I’ve been looking at the ltl stuff lately, and I guess I always saw them as sort of anti-software.. This makes sense as a clean utility piece- but something like a silver bullet or chroma just seem paradoxical in plugin format. I'm genuinely curious what you mean by it being paradoxical. cheers, Brad I think 000 is talking about specific products like the Silver Bullet, where they don't make as much sense in SW format. Not saying it can't or shouldn't be done, but you still need a HW pre-amp. Regardless, I agree with you that the SB does seem to be a genuinely hybrid friendly and supportive design. |
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Post by keymod on Dec 26, 2018 6:27:34 GMT -6
Just purchased, thanks for the Xmas Special. I have two void corp hardware units and a couple of LTL Color Modules as well. Have to admit, I thought it odd to see software versions because, like some others, I always looked at LTL as a new-world hardware manufacturer whose products would be useful in both analog and hybrid situations. A Silver Bullet is on my long list of acquisitions. But I am glad to see LTL reaching out in all directions and wish Brad and his 'droids continued success.
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Post by 000 on Dec 26, 2018 7:51:43 GMT -6
Definitely an exciting step for the company - and Brad’s designs definitely all seem to rule ( wish I had like 6 more Kush Electras). I’ve been looking at the ltl stuff lately, and I guess I always saw them as sort of anti-software.. This makes sense as a clean utility piece- but something like a silver bullet or chroma just seem paradoxical in plugin format. Thanks for the love, guys (and drsax). I really appreciate it. I'm intrigued by your perception of my company as anti-software. Could you elaborate? I've always viewed my brand as pro-hybrid. It's practically 2020 so I just assume that most of us are integrating hardware and software in some fashion. I've personally been recording to a DAW since 1998. I like to think that my products are purposefully trying to facilitate these types of workflow rather than just creating stuff that simply co-exist. It seems like many companies make tools for ITB workflows, or they make tools for traditional analog workflows. It would be great to see more companies trying to innovate for hybrid studios making the best of both worlds. I'm genuinely curious what you mean by it being paradoxical. cheers, Brad Once again all the respect in the world - you really do make amazing tools. I have to agree that in today’s day in age almost everyone is working hybrid in some way or another. It also makes sense to see the chop shop in plugin format as it is supposed to be a clean utility piece - which is a place where software does really well. The GUI also looks great - and the layout of controls is simple yet powerful - so I imagine you really do have a winner on your hands with this one regardless of format. However, with your other products - it was always my impression that they were designed to bring the “hardware sound” back into digital productions. The whole reason the SB makes sense to invest in is because it gives you “that sound” that can only be accomplished by real iron - a yin to the yang of digital processing. Clean eq? Yeah, plugins can do that pretty well and sound fairly similar to the hardware. Transformer emulation? Well - that’s the reason why I’ve been eyeing your products lol. The LTL line to me always seemed like the antidote to the more sterile sound of digital production. To have the antidote also be the thing it is remedying - is a bit paradoxical no? With that said - maybe I’m just getting old - and the kids would love the super modern GUI and layout of a SB plugin. I know very little about what the market it is like for hardware manufacturers- so if making plugins means that you stick around forever and can make more cool new pieces of hardware - then please port everything over! I have seen many tone/mojo boxes turned into plugins and it’s just never really made sense to me. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 26, 2018 9:50:28 GMT -6
Damn it. I was going to just buy like 6 more chopshops. This will help! I love the Chopshop.
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2018 10:24:58 GMT -6
Brad is one of the few guys building gear that isn’t a copy of a copy of a copy, and a nice guy to boot. I’m conflicted on this plugin because while I have used digital filters as problem solvers and for tone shaping for years, 9 times out of 10 it would have been better if an analog filter had been used during tracking.
I think the Chop Shop is a must for anybody serious about audio and those who have bought one seam to realize my addiction to having filters is contagious.
I’ll probably buy the plugin because I like Brad and his one knob EQ is really a simple secret weapon, but I hope those who find this thing useful buy the real deal, not because analog sounds better but because in this case putting the analog version before the DA really multiplies the effect and usefulness exponentially.
I’m not saying don’t buy it, I’m saying buy it play with it then buy an analog Chop Shop because then you will buy more and then Brad will build us more useful tools.
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Post by drsax on Dec 26, 2018 12:45:08 GMT -6
Plugin sounds great BradM - very smooth filters for sure - thumbs up. I think any kickback you might get from folks about releasing a plugin as opposed to hardware is really a moot point. Tools are tools. And you make GREAT tools. I’d rather have the Outboard, but my Outboard situation with converters, patchbays, and total number of I/O is maxed out and without being overly selfish, I can’t justify expanding to a larger setup. So I am thrilled to see this in plugin form. I have an extensive hybrid setup with 48 channels of I/O and more Outboard than converters... so... thanks for this. Killer tool. And for anyone that doesn’t have plugin alliance plugins yet, right now you get 7 free plugins (PA has predetermined what these are) for signing up. So Chop Shop for $49 with the Christmas offer and 7 free plugins. That’s a no brainer. I’ve got a lot of killer EQ plugins and this one will still be super useful. I don’t expect it to sound exactly like hardware... that said, it sounds very smooth. Excellent stuff. Oh, and I like that if this tool becomes indispensable, then I’ll probably get a hardware unit and decide which piece in my current setup will get replaced. It would be nice for tracking On a side note, I am finishing up a mix for a client today. The mix was pretty much finished and the client wanted more highs on his saxophone sound, uh oh... more highs on a sound that I worked very hard to remove harshness from. Usually that can be a dangerous thing on saxophone. I threw the chop shop plug-in on his lead track, used the focus to slightly tilt the overall EQ towards the treble frequencies. A slight tweak made a big difference. No harshness, very smooth, and sounds great. Also threw it on the master buss and used the lo cut around 20-30hz with a small bump. Tightened up the bottom end of the mix very nicely. So your plug-in has already made my day |
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 26, 2018 13:15:48 GMT -6
Playing with it its a great plugin. No complaints. Its not the hardware in terms of "mojo" but does do a nice thing. I'll use the plugin a lot im sure and use the two hardware units on things that need the hardware touch.
Not saying its not good. Hardware is just special. always is, always will be.
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Post by drsax on Dec 26, 2018 13:20:19 GMT -6
Playing with it its a great plugin. No complaints. Its not the hardware in terms of "mojo" but does do a nice thing. I'll use the plugin a lot im sure and use the two hardware units on things that need the hardware touch. Not saying its not good. Hardware is just special. always is, always will be. Good Hardware is my favorite no doubt... real knobs!!! And that sound.... Great plugin though |
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Post by drbill on Dec 26, 2018 13:22:02 GMT -6
I'm like drsax - tools are tools. I DO prefer hardware for the tactile interface as well as the sonics, but I also have a limited amount of DA/AD i/o. At this point 96 i/o, and I'll probably hold there. Unfortunately, that's not enough to do a complex mix with hardware only - and I usually do not have enough production time to address individual tracks and reprint them and dial them in perfectly before mixing. Hence I need a lot of i/o. Especially for filters - which I rely a lot on. I will no doubt get another pair of chop shop hardware units at some point, but I'll be using the plug in as well. I'll be interested in when someone does hardcore comparison files of the plug vs hardware. Of note : if you guys have not checked out Mr. Focus by LTL, you should. The focus EQ is identical to the CS hardware, and there are a bunch of cool things it can do. Very sweet units with the option of customizing to your personal preference with colour analog plug ins. Right now the ones I'm using constantly are the Smash compressor followed by Mass Drivr (API line card w/ transformer). I'm using them on my kick / stomps / claps bus on some bluesy stuff and it's completely killing it with a very retro tape / console sound. Happy New Years guys! |
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 30, 2019 16:56:52 GMT -6
Just got an email that the update is in!
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Post by Guitar on Sept 2, 2019 21:29:29 GMT -6
I just got this with the Plugin Alliance subscription for the next year or so.
But I haven't recorded anything at all since I paid for the subscription, LOL. Been focusing on building gear instead. And other things.
Louder Than Liftoff plugin will be one of the first ones I try though when the writing bug hits me again.
I've got half an album finished, just need to come up with a few more good tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 9:50:06 GMT -6
Might be the most useful "gear" purchase I've made in a long time. The simplicity is very deceiving. It's a very powerful EQ.
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