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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 3:45:43 GMT -6
Wondering what people's current views are about say buying an good OB comp/limiter for the 2 bus vs say the convert 2+. I realize the convert2+ has converters. I recall Fab in his review stating that engineers are using limiters less and using something like the convert2+ instead and also overdriving converters deliberately. I am looking hard at the apogee 2x6 se, a used convert2+ and thinking about the Audio-Scape D comp: with really only money enough for one decision , not 2  Thoughts ? |
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Post by svart on Dec 22, 2018 10:08:07 GMT -6
I thought the convert 2 was just a DAC?
You only drive the ADC converter.
My converters were able to be driven about 6dB to clip transients which is about the high average I've seen in any converter, and probably more than I'd want an analog limiter to do.
I'd go with transient clipping the ADC before I got a dedicated limiter.
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Post by LesC on Dec 22, 2018 10:58:56 GMT -6
I thought the convert 2 was just a DAC? You only drive the ADC converter. My converters were able to be driven about 6dB to clip transients which is about the high average I've seen in any converter, and probably more than I'd want an analog limiter to do. I'd go with transient clipping the ADC before I got a dedicated limiter. I think he means the Convert-AD+ |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 22, 2018 11:15:50 GMT -6
Converters last, or when obsoleted. Everything else first.
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 22, 2018 11:34:50 GMT -6
One advantage of a comp/limiter is the flexibility of using it for tracking or on different buses (drum bus, gtr bus etc)
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 11:41:52 GMT -6
yes I did mean the AD, I have lots of compressors so like the idea of the Audio-Scape comp/limiter, specifically because of the piece of british gear it is cloning, but have the problem with my symph mkii 16x16 card off losing two converters to drive my monitors and no other i/o.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2018 11:52:59 GMT -6
Apollo x |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 12:06:08 GMT -6
Problem is I have no ua stuff so going back means a new interface, new plug ins and a new octo, also since I have my delta and OB, only X16 really makes sense so a I also need a monitor controller, so I have to sell and buy 1,000's of $ worth of stuff and I have never heard an x and no one here in Cdn seems to think letting me demo one is is a good idea.
Simpler for me to buy the apogee 2x6se or the convert2AD+ used.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 22, 2018 12:37:46 GMT -6
Wondering what people's current views are about say buying an good OB comp/limiter for the 2 bus vs say the convert 2+. I realize the convert2+ has converters. I recall Fab in his review stating that engineers are using limiters less and using something like the convert2+ instead and also overdriving converters deliberately. I am looking hard at the apogee 2x6 se, a used convert2+ and thinking about the Audio-Scape D comp: with really only money enough for one decision , not 2 Thoughts ? You're current converters are more than sufficient. Don't spend more money there. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 13:17:08 GMT -6
They are certainly very good: you are right, but losing the two for monitors is a bit problematic as I mix out to the delta in group/stems. Apollo is nice that way with the 2 extra outs.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2018 14:35:49 GMT -6
Problem is I have no ua stuff so going back means a new interface, new plug ins and a new octo, also since I have my delta and OB, only X16 really makes sense so a I also need a monitor controller, so I have to sell and buy 1,000's of $ worth of stuff and I have never heard an x and no one here in Cdn seems to think letting me demo one is is a good idea. Simpler for me to buy the apogee 2x6se or the convert2AD+ used. You wouldn’t need the octo...and why would you need a monitor controller for the Apollo and not the symphony? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 14:47:58 GMT -6
Depends how many ua plug ins you use. I used to have 12 sharc chips to 6 sounds like a good start:), the x16 has no monitor control, no headphone out?? so you need one.
So, x6 or x8 has the monitor control but not enough I/o unless I go back to my pre delta and ob workflow, not certain I want to do that, at least not now .
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Post by Guitar on Dec 22, 2018 15:25:04 GMT -6
Converters last, or when obsoleted. Everything else first. I like this response, even as something of a conversion junkie. I know you're not shopping for plugins, but if you were, the Eventide Newfangled Audio Elevate limiter bundle is incredible!! Best master limiter I have ever used. |
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Post by mikec on Dec 22, 2018 16:02:59 GMT -6
I would think the only reason to buy the 2x6SE or Convert is if you need the extra I/O for your workflow. That is the main reason I purchased the 2x6SE and Apogee remote to add to my 16x16. I was not looking for a bump in converter quality but wanted to be able use all 16 channels of my 16x16 module for summing into the 2Bus+, have digital I/O for my Bricasti when needed, have a high quality dedicated analog inputs for the sum back from my 2Bus+, and be able to sell my Dangerous Source and have a great monitoring outputs from the 2x6. It works perfectly for me but may or may not for you with your setup.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 16:07:15 GMT -6
Yes Mike that was the original itch: 2 more channels. It’s not critical but I’m thinking about it:) I love a certain ua limiter plug in and and the Audioscape reference to a certain British forbearer definitely hooks me ! |
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Post by Guitar on Dec 22, 2018 16:17:54 GMT -6
I wonder if that "certain British forberer" is Abbey Road / EMI / TG / Chandler it's funny not to say it, like who is the joke on
By the way, you should go out an buy the Waves Abbey Road TG Mastering Console right now if you don't already have it. You can buy me a sandwich later.
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2018 16:50:02 GMT -6
I have the Dangerous AD + and I can tell you for sure that with the peaks off you can really drive that converter and your RMS levels will get really high. It's a different sound all together..... you get the RMS levels up but you still get dynamic movement, also you don't hear limiting. It's great.
Post a mix and I'll show you....
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 19:05:20 GMT -6
Guitar completely agree about AR TG mastering plug and I do have it !
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 19:42:27 GMT -6
Sure it would be cool to hear you pass something through the convert, how bout I send you a ruff mix of my current song no limiting on the 2 buss ?
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2018 19:43:59 GMT -6
Sure thing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 19:44:35 GMT -6
Or would Dropbox be better ?
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2018 19:48:13 GMT -6
Just send it to me and I'll post both files so folks can hear the two.
What RMS level are you wanting? -10db or more?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 20:51:24 GMT -6
Well what ever you think, I left you a fair number of dB to work from .
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2018 22:44:10 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2018 22:47:49 GMT -6
Great thx, will be cool to hear this, but likely now dangerous to my pocket book!
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