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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 18, 2018 18:59:01 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 18, 2018 20:25:30 GMT -6
Combo of using SSD for short term , spinners and cloud for archive.
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Post by ericn on Dec 18, 2018 20:27:05 GMT -6
Isn’t it almost a wash to just opt for cloud storage these days? Instead of multiple TB SSD’s x 2? Until Google fiber goes down for a couple of days ... Cloud and spinners for archive ! Back up your back my friend!
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Post by svart on Dec 18, 2018 21:06:14 GMT -6
SSD for os and disk cache, WD black for data. WD green for backups in USB chassis #1, WD blue in USB chassis #2 for second backup.
Seagate bought quantum and then maxtor and their quality went down the drain. They've had random and spotty quality since. I've had a few Seagate drives fail in random ways.
Hitachi and hgst used to be almost as bad as quantum for random failures. I've had 4 Hitachi drives, and each one has failed randomly and catastrophically. One I was actually able to recover by buying an identical drive with the same build code and swapping platters to get my work off of.
WD used to be marginal but their quality went up over the years and now I won't use any other brand as it's the only one I've used that hasn't failed. I use maybe 12 of them in various computers for years and years now and not a single failure.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 18, 2018 21:24:09 GMT -6
Were these the high end enterprise HGSTs?
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Post by svart on Dec 18, 2018 22:19:13 GMT -6
Were these the high end enterprise HGSTs? If you're asking me, no, these were regular drives. Hgst was Hitachi after they bought ibm's drive business(Hitachi global storage technologies) but before WD bought their assets. Hgst's helium drives were technically WD drives, designed after WD purchased them, but before the hgst name was retired. Anyway, backblaze is reporting that the helium Filled drives have about a 0.5% lower failure rate than air filled.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 18, 2018 23:54:09 GMT -6
Spinners all day for backups.
Those trying to figure out file management. I use a simple naming format
Date last name or band name
So for today: 20181218 badass band.
If multiple in a day: 20181218 0700 badass band and 20181218 1430 super bad band
This way if you sort by name everything is instantly in the right order by date. Session name is the same other than adding what's happen. I leave it as is when recording. Then _EditMNv1 or _MixMNv1. MN is my initials and if I have others work on it they do the same with their initials.
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Post by javamad on Dec 19, 2018 5:53:01 GMT -6
Great responses here.
I use an external 6Tb Thunderbolt spinner for all session files and I have that backing up to Backblaze.
I think I need to add an end of project step though to archive off to an offsite disk and Google Drive that so its all in 4 locations
Wondering what topick for the offsite though... a redundant raid spinner would be my first thought..
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Post by forgotteng on Dec 19, 2018 7:02:36 GMT -6
Spinners all day for backups. Those trying to figure out file management. I use a simple naming format Date last name or band name So for today: 20181218 badass band. If multiple in a day: 20181218 0700 badass band and 20181218 1430 super bad band This way if you sort by name everything is instantly in the right order by date. Session name is the same other than adding what's happen. I leave it as is when recording. Then _EditMNv1 or _MixMNv1. MN is my initials and if I have others work on it they do the same with their initials. This may be a stupid question but do you use the file management for every session you start or just when you archive?
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 19, 2018 8:19:34 GMT -6
Spinners all day for backups. Those trying to figure out file management. I use a simple naming format Date last name or band name So for today: 20181218 badass band. If multiple in a day: 20181218 0700 badass band and 20181218 1430 super bad band This way if you sort by name everything is instantly in the right order by date. Session name is the same other than adding what's happen. I leave it as is when recording. Then _EditMNv1 or _MixMNv1. MN is my initials and if I have others work on it they do the same with their initials. This may be a stupid question but do you use the file management for every session you start or just when you archive? Strat from the get go. Every session gets named in that format and it's parent folder. The more steps you do right right from the get go the less time you spend after it. Also helps as you might record one thing today but go back to do touch ups on a mix in the afternoon. Of it's organized from the get go it's easy to find. Another simple trick is inside the parent folder is to create a folder named 'Old Sessions' move all other session files in there so that when you come back to something you only see one session file or maybe it's not you that comes back. Keeps it clean
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Post by forgotteng on Dec 31, 2018 18:57:06 GMT -6
I have noticed that when you get into higher capacity drives they move down from 7200 to 5400. Am I to assume that if I am running sessions off a ssd then backing up to mechanical it is no longer important for the platter to turn at 7200 or above? I am specifically talking about a desktop studio scenario not a laptop mobile rig.
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Post by mulmany on Jan 1, 2019 1:13:09 GMT -6
If it's just for backup, the rpm does not matter as much.
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Post by cyrano on Jan 1, 2019 19:09:10 GMT -6
When it comes to spinning rust, there's really only one manufacturer left. The different brands still exist, but come from the same factories. Just don't buy the latest generation for archival, as these MIGHT have a problem. The latest one is years ago, a 320 GB HD that forgot it's own firmware, but it could happen again.
When it comes to SSD's forget everythibg you thibk you know about harddisks. For instance, most people believe these to run cooler. Forget that. A few do run cooler than the hottest rust, but not all of them run cooler than the average HD. Same goes for power consumption. I wouldn't use them for archival either, for reasons John already explained.
Another thing I learned the hard way, is that SSD's are NOT immune to magnetic fields. We had a bunch that were used as cache in storage arrays. Drive #8 kept failing, because it was next to the PSU. The array's manufacturer replaced the sheet metal between the SSD and the PSU with a thicker mu-metal one and the problem was gone. That was after about a dozen of drives failed in that spot, but none of the other seven. And these drives get replaced every six months anyway.
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Post by svart on Jan 2, 2019 9:17:47 GMT -6
I have noticed that when you get into higher capacity drives they move down from 7200 to 5400. Am I to assume that if I am running sessions off a ssd then backing up to mechanical it is no longer important for the platter to turn at 7200 or above? I am specifically talking about a desktop studio scenario not a laptop mobile rig. Yeah, it just takes longer to transfer is all. they need to slow them down because the density on the platters is so high now (aka the "bits" are much smaller) that they can't read the bits fast enough to maintain the speed. It used to be common knowledge that you didn't want high density drives in arrays because the correctable error rates were much higher in higher density drives. You end up relying on the error correction algorithms to produce your data output rather than reading direct data. I don't know if that is the case anymore but it used to be a huge problem with drives a few years ago.
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Post by iamasound on Jan 3, 2019 1:21:22 GMT -6
I was just musing in the revelry just after waking, that someone like say, Beethoven's music is still enjoyed 200 years on through performance, his written works conserved in perhaps both on paper as well as in digital form in thousands of locations though of course no recordings of an actual concert could ever have been made. Then I think of something like Pink Floyd's The Wall, and if there were ever a series of or one great magnetic pulse that knocked out all digital memory, that it might never be heard again.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 3, 2019 6:34:33 GMT -6
Then I think of something like Pink Floyd's The Wall, and if there were ever a series of or one great magnetic pulse that knocked out all digital memory, that it might never be heard again. You can spin a vinyl and put a toothpick on it with a piece of paper, and it will produce some sort of sound. I always liked that idea in a sort of post-apocalyptic scenario, and it made me proud of having had some of my music pressed on vinyl. Hey I just looked it up and someone bothered to make a video of it:
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