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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2018 8:33:48 GMT -6
Granted, I'm a Pro TOols user )or usee) . . .
How important is clip gain to your mixing process? For me, it's essential for a variety of reason such as changes in gain to hit plug ins and externals harder or softer. But I'm just curious what you all have to say
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Post by swurveman on Nov 4, 2018 8:50:13 GMT -6
I use it all the time for the same reason for software and hardware.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 4, 2018 8:52:23 GMT -6
It's essential.
Maybe it's my overall habits improving as well, but I rough so much stuff in with clip gain now, much earlier in the project, and it saves me a lot of grief later. I rarely reach for Trim Automation as a problem solver anymore, or chase my tail with automation/gain staging issues the way I did on PT 8 HD.
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2018 9:58:46 GMT -6
Great minds think alike . . .
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Post by svart on Nov 4, 2018 10:22:58 GMT -6
I had to look up what clip gain is.. so it's just changing level on short sections of audio?
I've done that for forever and had no idea what people were calling it. I do it for just about everything, especially vocals.
I generally only use compression for effect, like adding attack or tonal differences, and not for leveling.
When I think of "clip gain" I think of transient clipping, which I use a lot of as well..
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Post by M57 on Nov 4, 2018 10:32:46 GMT -6
I keep forgetting to use it ..even more-so since I've been recording with compression in the chain. I feel like it should be the other way around, but I want to get as much real analog goodness into the box as I can, because once inside it stays there.
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Post by jdc on Nov 4, 2018 11:31:15 GMT -6
i use it a lot, especially in the beginning of the mixing process as i commit tracks to save processing power. it has also bailed me out on some poor tracking decisions with gain staging. after the fact i bring everything to -18 and it's like my headroom was never in jeopardy at all.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 4, 2018 12:57:03 GMT -6
Probably the same thing in DP. I use it to fix anomalies within a track, be it discrepancies in overdub comps, delivery, etc. Occasionally if a track is extremely low, as a way to get the entirety into better range. It's not something I automatically reach for.
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2018 12:57:34 GMT -6
I use it a lot. But there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. But clip gain seems the fastest,
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Post by M57 on Nov 4, 2018 13:06:01 GMT -6
I use it a lot. But there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. But clip gain seems the fastest, I seem to remember participating in a thread here where I was informed that many other alternative methods are not the same.. For instance, straight up fader automation.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 4, 2018 14:26:20 GMT -6
I use it a lot. But there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. But clip gain seems the fastest, I seem to remember participating in a thread here where I was informed that many other alternative methods are not the same.. For instance, straight up fader automation. Well, clip gain is pre-fader (and pre-insert), so it's definitely a whole different thing than fader moves. And like others here, I use it all the time. ( In Logic, in my case.)
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2018 14:36:56 GMT -6
Great feedback! Keep it coming please .
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Post by Guitar on Nov 4, 2018 15:24:29 GMT -6
Yep, pretty much always fussing around with clip gains. It's something I have always done.
One example now is when I track drums to my "drum template" I can drive the compressors just by adjusting the clip gain... pretty gee-whiz easy kind of stuff.
Usually I have to go back in to my template and adjust EQ, and etc, since every song is different.
Saves me a lot of time though.
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Post by drbill on Nov 4, 2018 16:01:23 GMT -6
I use it a lot. But there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. But clip gain seems the fastest, I seem to remember participating in a thread here where I was informed that many other alternative methods are not the same.. For instance, straight up fader automation. If all you're looking to do is up the gain pre-insert : DSP trim as the first insert in the chain. Done. Did it that way for years. I like clip gain in instances where you can quickly glance across dozens of regions and raise or lower gain so that all of them are "in the zone". Helps in a variety of production chores.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 5, 2018 19:01:54 GMT -6
I keep forgetting to use it ..even more-so since I've been recording with compression in the chain. I feel like it should be the other way around, but I want to get as much real analog goodness into the box as I can, because once inside it stays there. Select clip. Hold down Shift+control+Option and scroll up or down with the mouse wheel and it'll go up by 0.5dB by default. You can change that in the preferences to smaller increments or larger. Super fast and handy.
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Post by LesC on Nov 5, 2018 19:40:47 GMT -6
I've always done this, but never knew what it was called. I can take different vocal takes on different days and as long as I match up the volumes using "clip gain", I can mix-and-match the better parts of each take without them sounding like different takes. Wow, that's a lot of takes in one sentence.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 6, 2018 0:33:31 GMT -6
Clip gain for sure. Every time. I am a bit anal about gain staging so that first stage which is the raw recorded levels, yea I want them to hit just right. When I am tracking I like a VU meter calibrated to -18 or -20 dbfs. Then just use it as normally. -7 to -5 ish on kick and snare, and 0 ish on things like vocals and bass. If I don't get it right, I can clip gain a little bit. Definitely on things clients send in. Then I'm hitting plugs the way I want and everything is jive.
I also use it for vocals to even them out. Other sounds, too. Though I like the pre-fader volume in Reaper for this. I just draw it in the envelope and watch the waveform change with the pencil.
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Post by javamad on Nov 8, 2018 5:34:09 GMT -6
Not PT or ClipGain perse but all my Logic Templates have the Utility Gain plugin as the first item. I avoid inter-plugin clipping using that.
If I get a really hot track in a project I reduce it in the file edit wondow overall.
Pre-fader metering is another guide to avoid clipping
This level-discipline is very important to having proper gainstaging and headroom.
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Post by iamasound on Nov 9, 2018 1:54:51 GMT -6
I have never used clip gain before and I am as intrigued as feel ignorant for now not having done so or even realized as a tool/technique it even existed. The funny thing is, I recieved a Boz Little Clipper as a gift a while back and never installed it. Is that something I could use to achieve the desired result of what sounds like the ultimate control over level? I could use a primer on this.
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Post by M57 on Nov 9, 2018 5:46:08 GMT -6
I have never used clip gain before and I am as intrigued as feel ignorant for now not having done so or even realized as a tool/technique it even existed. The funny thing is, I recieved a Boz Little Clipper as a gift a while back and never installed it. Is that something I could use to achieve the desired result of what sounds like the ultimate control over level? I could use a primer on this. I'm not an authority on this by any stretch, and I don't doubt that Trim/Clipper products do something similar, but what's really nice about clip gain is that it non-destructively lets you apply trim to the signal (in regions you select) and in real-time (at least in Logic) alters the wave-form in the project to reflect those changes. So for instance with a vocal you can select a word or phrase, and visually align (to taste) the amplitude of the the word/phrase with those around it as you apply clip gain.
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Post by iamasound on Nov 9, 2018 6:55:51 GMT -6
I have never used clip gain before and I am as intrigued as feel ignorant for now not having done so or even realized as a tool/technique it even existed. The funny thing is, I recieved a Boz Little Clipper as a gift a while back and never installed it. Is that something I could use to achieve the desired result of what sounds like the ultimate control over level? I could use a primer on this. I'm not an authority on this by any stretch, and I don't doubt that Trim/Clipper products do something similar, but what's really nice about clip gain is it non-destructively let's you apply trim to the signal (in regions you select) and in real-time (at least in Logic) alters the wave-form in the project to reflect those changes. So for instance with a vocal you can select a word or phrase, and visually align (to taste) the amplitude of the the word/phrase with those around it as you apply clip gain. So one needs to write automation or ride it manually? Is it similar to compression where you define a threshold that anything entering the curve or angle will be attenuated?
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Post by M57 on Nov 9, 2018 7:03:07 GMT -6
There's no automation and I'm pretty sure there's no compression per se - though now that I think more about it, there has to be some form of clipping or limiting going on. You select a region and you apply gain or gain reduction. So for instance, if you apply +2.5db of gain, the wave form for that region "grows" as if you had bumped up the pre-amp 2.5db just for that period of time. There are no curves - as far as I can tell it's a hard jump in and out at the boundaries of the region - though perhaps somewhere in the advance section you can alter the knee. From here it's all above my pay-grade - I defer to higher authority.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 9, 2018 7:38:46 GMT -6
Clip gain is like really coarse volume automation. Just making audio clips louder or quieter relative to one another. In cubase there's a little square handle you just drag up or down.
It's not the same thing as "clipping" which would be harmonic distortion.
2 different things.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 8:14:08 GMT -6
Can you do it in REAPER?
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Post by Ward on Nov 9, 2018 9:20:31 GMT -6
What about in Fruity Loops?
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