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Post by klauth on Oct 24, 2018 10:44:23 GMT -6
When your in the tracking chair, do you have a preferance for a particular wood type in regards to drums?
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Post by notneeson on Oct 24, 2018 10:56:06 GMT -6
I leave it up to the drummer, if they’re not using the house drums. Or I rent a 60s Ludwig set.
But I know my fav session drummer/pal has preferences by brand. E.g. she doesn’t like Yamaha maples, but does like their birch (I may have it backwards). She owns the aforementioned Ludwig, and brings it on sessions.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 24, 2018 14:24:14 GMT -6
When your in the tracking chair, do you have a preferance for a particular wood type in regards to drums? For the drums or the chair?
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Post by jtc111 on Oct 24, 2018 14:25:24 GMT -6
Damn... from the title, I thought this was going to be a guitar thread.
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Post by bowie on Oct 24, 2018 14:35:48 GMT -6
Damn... from the title, I thought this was going to be a guitar thread. Same... I could literally talk about acoustic guitar woods for hours. I actually had a conversation with the guy who harvested the old-growth Adirondack spruce log that my Collings was built with.
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Post by svart on Oct 24, 2018 16:31:46 GMT -6
Typically birch or bubinga.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 24, 2018 17:28:35 GMT -6
I just picked up a beech kit that I'm digging.
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Post by yotonic on Oct 25, 2018 0:14:24 GMT -6
I thought we were talking about engraving and type setting. Another vintage art form, like recording...
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Post by allbuttonmode on Oct 25, 2018 4:12:12 GMT -6
Anything but plastic and stainless steel. I can't stand Vistalites or metal drums in the studio. (To be fair, I have no experience with other metal drums than Ludwigs. A&F's metal kits supposedly sound insane)
Inside finish, bearing edges and head type makes a bigger difference than wood species, to my ears.
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2018 4:22:49 GMT -6
Typically birch, but still searching out the type of wood that works best for smaller toms - under 12"
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2018 7:28:12 GMT -6
Having grown up in the hometown of those god awful Impact I dustries fiberglass / plastic shells, ANYTHING BOT PLASTIC FIBERGLASS! I used to joke that these things were what made WI AE’s great at drum sound because we all had t deal with those Imapct kits.
It’s a small world aside; the impact factory was right next store to future Full Compass president Susan Lipp’s first husbands company Marathon Rubber who owned a warehouse my father rented.
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Post by svart on Oct 25, 2018 7:33:31 GMT -6
Typically birch, but still searching out the type of wood that works best for smaller toms - under 12" I like maple for 8 or 10 drums. Small drums tend to get that timbale type of effect if the wood is too bright, but things like bubinga are a bit too dark for small drums IMHO. A nice maple seems to split the difference and keep small drums "alive" but not too peaky sounding.
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Post by bigbone on Oct 25, 2018 8:15:05 GMT -6
Players,heads choice and tuning will have a far more important result that wood choice on a kits. !!!!
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Post by mcirish on Oct 25, 2018 8:33:04 GMT -6
Players,heads choice and tuning will have a far more important result that wood choice on a kits. !!!! I'd have to agree with this. In the last month I've had sessions with both a Tama Star Classic with birch/bubinga and also an inexpensive Pearl Export that uses poplar or some other cheaper wood. Heads and tuning make all the difference. Out of the box, the Pearl was pretty bad sounding. I then changed heads and tuned the Pearl kit and it sounded fantastic. The drummer setup the Tama and it was horrible. After a good tuning and a few head changes, the Tama sounded as it should. I like the idea of expensive woods for drums but I'm not really sure it makes more than a 5-10% difference in the sound. I'd take a cheap kit that's tuned well with good heads over a poorly maintained expensive kit.
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Post by svart on Oct 25, 2018 8:42:03 GMT -6
Players,heads choice and tuning will have a far more important result that wood choice on a kits. !!!! I'd have to agree with this. In the last month I've had sessions with both a Tama Star Classic with birch/bubinga and also an inexpensive Pearl Export that uses poplar or some other cheaper wood. Heads and tuning make all the difference. Out of the box, the Pearl was pretty bad sounding. I then changed heads and tuned the Pearl kit and it sounded fantastic. The drummer setup the Tama and it was horrible. After a good tuning and a few head changes, the Tama sounded as it should. I like the idea of expensive woods for drums but I'm not really sure it makes more than a 5-10% difference in the sound. I'd take a cheap kit that's tuned well with good heads over a poorly maintained expensive kit. Generally yes. I did use the same heads on a Yamaha recording custom kit made from 100% birch, and a Tama Starclassic bubinga and the tone was remarkably different in the room. It was a lot less different through the mics, but still noticeable enough to probably pick one or the other out from listening alone. It wasn't so much the timbre, but the decay seemed very different. Otherwise I think the bearing edge and head affect the attack and overtones more, while the wood and mounting systems affect the decay and tonality.
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2018 8:47:11 GMT -6
Typically birch, but still searching out the type of wood that works best for smaller toms - under 12" I like maple for 8 or 10 drums. Small drums tend to get that timbale type of effect if the wood is too bright, but things like bubinga are a bit too dark for small drums IMHO. A nice maple seems to split the difference and keep small drums "alive" but not too peaky sounding. Say, brother, take any pictures of recent session where you mic'ed up small maple toms? Looking for better options in capturing small toms. 12, 14, 16 are a cinch. But smaller ones are always a PITA
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 25, 2018 8:55:56 GMT -6
I like maple for 8 or 10 drums. Small drums tend to get that timbale type of effect if the wood is too bright, but things like bubinga are a bit too dark for small drums IMHO. A nice maple seems to split the difference and keep small drums "alive" but not too peaky sounding. Say, brother, take any pictures of recent session where you mic'ed up small maple toms? Looking for better options in capturing small toms. 12, 14, 16 are a cinch. But smaller ones are always a PITA The best results I’ve gotten with 8” and 10” toms is to ask the drummer not to use them haha. But seriously I’ve only really used them much in hard rock or metal applications where the genre tends to lean towards heavy use of samples anyway so I do the best I can and leave it at that. Best results usually come from tuning the tension on the top head rather loose for stick feel and tone, and using the bottom head to get the pitch right. Most guys that come in with small toms have the top heads cranked and that never seems to work. Clear ambassadors works the best for me on those drums.
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Post by svart on Oct 25, 2018 8:59:30 GMT -6
I like maple for 8 or 10 drums. Small drums tend to get that timbale type of effect if the wood is too bright, but things like bubinga are a bit too dark for small drums IMHO. A nice maple seems to split the difference and keep small drums "alive" but not too peaky sounding. Say, brother, take any pictures of recent session where you mic'ed up small maple toms? Looking for better options in capturing small toms. 12, 14, 16 are a cinch. But smaller ones are always a PITA I don't, but I can! Not many bands use 8" toms. I do have 8 and 10 toms in my studio(personal) kit that I mic up occasionally. Typically I use old ATM25 hypercardioid mics on toms, so they're not very large mics to begin with (and take a beating better than MD421's). I do have a pic from FB where I started setting up the kit and snuck a mic in between cymbals on the 10" but hadn't hooked up the cable yet (also, this 10" is birch/bubinga):
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Post by svart on Oct 25, 2018 9:07:19 GMT -6
Say, brother, take any pictures of recent session where you mic'ed up small maple toms? Looking for better options in capturing small toms. 12, 14, 16 are a cinch. But smaller ones are always a PITA The best results I’ve gotten with 8” and 10” toms is to ask the drummer not to use them haha. But seriously I’ve only really used them much in hard rock or metal applications where the genre tends to lean towards heavy use of samples anyway so I do the best I can and leave it at that. Best results usually come from tuning the tension on the top head rather loose for stick feel and tone, and using the bottom head to get the pitch right. Most guys that come in with small toms have the top heads cranked and that never seems to work. Clear ambassadors works the best for me on those drums. LOL. Most drummers prefer larger drums in the studio anyway, so most of the time I don't even set up the small ones. I do find that stuff like the G2 evans work well on small toms if you tune them right. Tuning is always key, but seems even more crucial for smaller toms to maximize projection of the meat of the tone, or else you just get the high pitched "plink" sound instead of a full hit. I also found that once a drummer has cranked the head to marching snare tension, it's almost never going to sound good again, and new heads are warranted. I usually keep stacks of mildly used heads to trade out on kits that drummers insist on using. But usually I leave my kit set up in the studio and have the drummer give it a try first. 9/10 of the time they choose to use my kit anyway because they don't want to lug their stuff in, and I've spent so much time maintaining it and getting the head choice and tuning correct and their kits are usually rattling from 40 different places and covered in tape/tissue with divots in the head that are deep enough to be mistaken for meteor craters..
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Post by popmann on Oct 25, 2018 9:30:45 GMT -6
I don't like a wooden tracking chair. Shit, that would be uncomfortable. I am quite sure I could hear the difference--at least FEEL the difference.
Ha.
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Post by klauth on Oct 25, 2018 11:33:06 GMT -6
Was just asking about wood type, and nothing else.
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Post by yotonic on Oct 25, 2018 16:31:36 GMT -6
Maybe you entered your order wrong...
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Post by stratboy on Oct 25, 2018 16:38:15 GMT -6
Maybe you entered your order wrong... I ordered burger, fries and a coke. I got lasagna. Should I have ordered fries, coke and a burger? 😜
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Post by nobtwiddler on Oct 25, 2018 16:55:18 GMT -6
3 ply mahogany !
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 25, 2018 19:50:11 GMT -6
Maybe you entered your order wrong... I ordered burger, fries and a coke. I got lasagna. Should I have ordered fries, coke and a burger? 😜 Hell NO! I'll take the lasagne!
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