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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 21, 2018 14:04:35 GMT -6
What 500 series(doesn’t absolutely have to be 500 series, but kind of want 500 series)are you using for eq on voice and acoustic guitar?
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Post by mulmany on Oct 21, 2018 14:36:47 GMT -6
What are you looking for in an EQ? Adding excitement or just sculpting frequencies?
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Post by Guitar on Oct 21, 2018 16:32:33 GMT -6
I like my Calrec DIY EQ on voice quite a lot. I think Randy Khors is always talking about the RTZ version that you can buy (not DIY). I haven't tried that one but I would guess it would be at least similar to the ones I built. This one has some "mojo" in terms of sweetening the sound.
On a budget, The Midas 512 EQ just seems to work on most things, very utilitarian. No heavy color to speak of just a lot of control because it has 4 bands. It's well worth the new price of $300.
Also I've never owned one, but I have to assume the CAPI or API stuff is good. I just like the "API sound" on nearly anything when I'm in the mood. I use CAPI preamps and inside the computer I use some API EQ plugins. It's sort of my basic "go to" sound. I like that punchy mid forward thing or whatever people want to call it.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2018 16:57:51 GMT -6
Something like Monkeys DIY, Midas, SSL or Speck for a clean and problem solver is a must, but I also have to have a clean variable filters like the Chopshop.
For good old fashion color, CAPI, CAPI CAPI, you just put a single through one of Jeff’s EQ’s and it puts a smile on your face, you twist the knobs and it gets bigger. Modern API will get you close, but it just lacks the heft, weight and sits some where between clean and CAPI.
I’m a huge Neve fan but honestly the fact that every Neve style 500 EQ lacks the input Iron, just makes me feel almost Neve, so unless you have a Neve style pre to put in front of it, it’s not the tone I want.
Last the SS 500 Pultec Clones, well your $$ will get you closer to the tone you want than any of the budget tube clones. Ask Jerome about the Analog Allstar’s kit, this is a guy who has been in rooms with the real deal in the condition they should be in.
I have not used the Midas 500 EQ, but since it is basically the Midas / DDA EQ in 500 format I’ll say this I have paid many bills over the years solving all kinds of problems with that EQ and Still own a Console with 32 of them!
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Post by Guitar on Oct 21, 2018 17:05:23 GMT -6
ericn I was sort of wondering where the Neve EQ fits in as well... seems like a rack mount is a better format for that one, maybe.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2018 17:51:39 GMT -6
ericn I was sort of wondering where the Neve EQ fits in as well... seems like a rack mount is a better format for that one, maybe. Yeah, that’s the thing people forget about the 500 series there is only so much room! I also think there is a price thing as well as some designers just don’t get how much tone the input iron can give you during mix. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Oct 21, 2018 18:16:51 GMT -6
What are you looking for in an EQ? Adding excitement or just sculpting frequencies? What would you consider for excitement and just sculpting? Actually, I have some British eq’s and some clean channel eq channel strips ,but they are not exactly what I would use on a vocal or acoustic guitar, more for percussive stuff like drums. I was looking more along the lines of 500 series because of my idea to build a 500 series desk/console/or use whatever someone designs that is reasonable for a future project. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 21, 2018 18:39:46 GMT -6
CAPI BT50
DIYRE EQP5
Chop Shop
I thought the CA-250 looked like it would be cool on vocals too.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 21, 2018 18:51:17 GMT -6
ericn how is the Speck vs the SSL? I don’t think either has a roll off. SSL’s roll off is on their preamp. Guitar I think the Heritage 73 EQ 500 series has a transformer in it. I know the AMS Neve 500 series EQ does not and is designed to work with the their 1073 preamp. Heritage does not have a roll off though. There is an 80hz roll off on their 500 series 1073 preamp. I’ve debated getting a BAE 1073 MPF, rack mounted dual channel 1073 with high pass and running it into 2 or the heritage EQs.... after I pick up a 500 series rack anyway. I want to get 2 SSL compressors and will probably get into the 500 series for them.
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2018 19:13:42 GMT -6
API 550A. If tracking, and doing generalized, not mix finished EQ, the Chop Shop is also excellent. A chop shop AND API 550A for final EQing is even better.  |
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Post by mulmany on Oct 21, 2018 20:21:16 GMT -6
I am currently using the CA-250 and Chop Shops as my outboard EQ. The CA-250 is very musical and sounds great, but it has a lot going on, so it has flexibility over speed. The chop shop just gets you there fast with a broad stroke, I use mine tracking for balance.
I think a pair or more of CA-250s should suit vocals and ac guitar very well. They are currently being sold pre-built. I picked up four before he went into commercial production.
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Post by ragan on Oct 21, 2018 21:04:10 GMT -6
My go-to for some time has been a pair of Great River Harrison 32EQ's. I love 'em. Somewhere between utilitarian and vibe-y. They have a slightly creamy sound. You can push the frequencies around like crazy if you want and it's very musical. Filters are amazing, probably the best I've used. Two mid bands, high and low bands can be peak or shelf. Internal jumper for 'vintage' or modern modes (feed forward or not). I'm a big fan.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 21, 2018 23:04:40 GMT -6
My go-to for some time has been a pair of Great River Harrison 32EQ's. I love 'em. Somewhere between utilitarian and vibe-y. They have a slightly creamy sound. You can push the frequencies around like crazy if you want and it's very musical. Filters are amazing, probably the best I've used. Two mid bands, high and low bands can be peak or shelf. Internal jumper for 'vintage' or modern modes (feed forward or not). I'm a big fan. Good to know. I’ve been curious about those myself. |
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Post by m03 on Oct 22, 2018 0:46:41 GMT -6
I think a pair or more of CA-250s should suit vocals and ac guitar very well. They are currently being sold pre-built. I picked up four before he went into commercial production. The prices on those seems very reasonable (US $383 each on their website) for what they offer in terms of capabilities. Am I missing something? |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 22, 2018 7:44:24 GMT -6
I think a pair or more of CA-250s should suit vocals and ac guitar very well. They are currently being sold pre-built. I picked up four before he went into commercial production. The prices on those seems very reasonable (US $383 each on their website) for what they offer in terms of capabilities. Am I missing something? Yeah that one got my attention too, just heard of it in this thread. I watched the demo video and I was convinced by the sound. It's definitely a good deal. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 22, 2018 8:31:59 GMT -6
I think a pair or more of CA-250s should suit vocals and ac guitar very well. They are currently being sold pre-built. I picked up four before he went into commercial production. The prices on those seems very reasonable (US $383 each on their website) for what they offer in terms of capabilities. Am I missing something? Between those and the DIYRE EQP5. You can get some killer EQ for very cheap. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2018 9:05:16 GMT -6
ericn how is the Speck vs the SSL? I don’t think either has a roll off. SSL’s roll off is on their preamp. Guitar I think the Heritage 73 EQ 500 series has a transformer in it. I know the AMS Neve 500 series EQ does not and is designed to work with the their 1073 preamp. Heritage does not have a roll off though. There is an 80hz roll off on their 500 series 1073 preamp. I’ve debated getting a BAE 1073 MPF, rack mounted dual channel 1073 with high pass and running it into 2 or the heritage EQs.... after I pick up a 500 series rack anyway. I want to get 2 SSL compressors and will probably get into the 500 series for them. The SSL has that SSL sheen can get brittle, the Speck with the transformer is clean with a touch of warm. |
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Post by drsax on Oct 22, 2018 9:24:39 GMT -6
API 550a or CAPI equivalent, or Avedis E27. Both bring a lot to the party. Kush Electra for more detailed sound shaping that sounds effortless but has less thickness and density than either the API or Avedis. Al three of these are goto’s for me
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Post by BradM on Oct 22, 2018 10:10:19 GMT -6
I just released this which would work well on both acoustics and vocals: Mister Focus - EQThe FET Filter version would basically give you a midrange EQ or (low shelving cut) with FET saturation, the Focus EQ (tilt-style) from the Chop Shop, and a Neve output stage with presence boost. It's strong on tone and quick results, and light on knob twiddling. The midrange and low shelving cut filters of the first section of the EQ were especially chosen for these two instruments. That reminds me I need to make some sound clips of this setup on acoustic guitar and vocals... drbill . cheers, Brad |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 22, 2018 10:12:46 GMT -6
Of my two API types, the discontinued LC53A usually gets the nod for voice or acoustic over the traditional API circuit (in my case the TB550A, also discontinued) because the inductor circuit is sweeter/softer. Usually the Pultec type unit wins on vocals. Anything outboard I’m using is for broad sweetening, surgery always in the DAW.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 24, 2018 15:55:37 GMT -6
API 550A. If tracking, and doing generalized, not mix finished EQ, the Chop Shop is also excellent. A chop shop AND API 550A for final EQing is even better. The API 560 graphics are quite nice as well. |
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Post by nnajar on Dec 21, 2018 22:12:36 GMT -6
Buzz audio tonic is super smooth and sounds really beautiful on voice, bass, acoustic guitar....
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2018 16:57:41 GMT -6
Electra sounds terrific on both. Using the HPF and low end knob lets you pull the chest out of a female and dial in the bucket on a male..... Not to mention the gorgeous sheen it has.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 23, 2018 0:30:00 GMT -6
Electra sounds terrific on both. Using the HPF and low end knob lets you pull the chest out of a female and dial in the bucket on a male..... Not to mention the gorgeous sheen it has. Kush Audio? What about that Clairphonic? |
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 23, 2018 0:46:50 GMT -6
Yeah Kush Audio Electra..... Brad on here designed it.
I wouldn't want the Clairphonic because it's mostly just doing the top end. The Electra has the same beautiful sheen and sound but also allows you to do some very creative stuff in the bottom end and has a great mid eq section as well. I don't have one, I used to have a pair, but I'm keeping my open for one on the used market that is too good of a deal to pass up. But even still, brand spanking new they're a steal. On the buss a pair of them sounds great as well. They also sell a rack unit that has 2 channels of it, that's what I'd really like to find as I'd want one for my vocal chain and another for the kick.
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