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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2018 22:56:13 GMT -6
Ok, so I’m the last one to see this documentary I guess...but wow, it’s fascinating. Ego, pride, addiction, obstinance...being burnt out. Lars with his dad - major daddy issues. Honestly, the dynamics are relatable on so many levels regardless of profession or station. Looking at all that circa 2003 gear I’m thinking...why the hell do they need all that...to make that? The money that was spent back in the heyday...wow.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2018 23:01:00 GMT -6
Holy shit...I’m watching this real time and commenting...just got to the Dave Mustain part. Damn...it’s almost like they’re real people.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2018 23:04:06 GMT -6
Dave Mustain is my freaking hero.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2018 23:11:08 GMT -6
Man...Lars at the club watching whatever the fuck Echobrain was thinking he’s a loser. The band leading the damn Presidio for a year while Hetfield gets in touch with his inner self. I mean wtf. This is fascinating.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 18, 2018 23:29:09 GMT -6
So good. I owned the DVD when those were still a thing. And I'm not a fan. At all.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2018 23:46:50 GMT -6
I’m not a fan either - I guess that’s the reason I haven’t seen it...but holy shit, this is just - ok I won’t say fascinating - just so deep. Hetfield is a total control diva. Lars with the “he needs 42 beers to love me” stuff. I’m not making fun, because all of us deal with these insecurities...but most of us scar over and learn to deal with them. We aren’t protected by the cocoon of a 100 million selling band. It’s just so...fascinating.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2018 23:49:55 GMT -6
I paused the film to type my previous post...just un-paused and Hetfield says “my mom passed when I was 16.” We all have stories that shape us. So interesting.
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Post by lando on Oct 19, 2018 0:14:26 GMT -6
Yeah, it’s absolutely amazing and I love it! Such a rare insight in a super dysfunctional relationship.
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Post by swurveman on Oct 19, 2018 7:32:27 GMT -6
I paused the film to type my previous post...just un-paused and Hetfield says “my mom passed when I was 16.” We all have stories that shape us. So interesting. I was watching the Tom Petty documentary and a guy talks about how many famous musicians had mom's die young: Lennon, McCartney, Bono, Petty, Hetfield and others. The other common denominator was trouble with their fathers. Bono says he had both, a mom who died young and a dad who hated him.
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Post by sam on Oct 19, 2018 8:12:02 GMT -6
Not the biggest Metallica fan, but I do own a few of their records and have seen that documentary a few times. It's incredible. I can't believe its real at some points.
I was rewatching it on Netflix one day a couple years ago and my wife walked in the room and sat down to watch some of it with me. About 15 minutes into sitting down, she paused it and looked at me and asked "so this is Metallica? Is this a mockumentary?!" I burst out laughing.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2018 8:17:44 GMT -6
Never watched it, not a fan, but what JK said pretty much. Matches the stories Dan had of their time in Lake Geneva.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 19, 2018 8:32:00 GMT -6
I need to re-watch it, I remember it being fascinating.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Oct 19, 2018 9:13:42 GMT -6
The best musical documentary after Spinal Tap, obviously...
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Post by lcr on Oct 19, 2018 10:27:04 GMT -6
Were all different people, and Im never been Metallica or Bon Jovi, I remember watching the Jovi one and he struggled with the fact that nobody is interested in his new music. “They all just want to hear the Slippery when wet album”. I somehow would work thru that struggle, lol. The Metallica one was pretty insane.. i watched Lars interview Maynard (TOOL) on youtube recently, I was impressed with Lars’s interview skills except for one aspect. He would derail his own question often with “I” or “we” or “Metallica” almost as if the conversation must include minimum 40% discussion about his story... I’ve seen Gene Simmons interviews saying anybody who has his job should never complain about anything.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 20, 2018 5:51:16 GMT -6
Yeah one time my uncle brought over this 4 pack of 11% belgian beer and I just drank a lot of them watching this Metallica documentary, I'll never forget that. I guess it is about time I could watch it again. Every band I have ever been in has been dysfunctional but not to this level.
I really do like those Lars interviews on Beats 1 too, I think I watched all of them.
And, yeah, I guess I am a bit of a Metallica fan. Been doing "Master of Puppets" lately. There's some crazy riffs on that record.
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Post by clonewar on Oct 21, 2018 18:25:36 GMT -6
As an 80’s era Metallica fan I remember it being kind of hard to watch, but really fascinating, and their honesty was impressive.
I haven’t watched it in years, but the one scene that rally stands out in my mind is where they’re recording and Hetfield points at the Pro Tools screen and depressingly says something like “I know that you’re just going to copy and paste this for the second verse”. He seemed down about the whole reecordind process and to me It kind of summed up how the ‘no limitations’ age of the DAW has impacted performences.
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Post by jazznoise on Oct 23, 2018 3:13:27 GMT -6
It's still bizarre now to watch anything about Dave Mustaine and see how raw and hurt he still fundamentally is over how things went down in Metallica. He's very literally like a man who never got over a messy divorce. The longer I play in and deal with musical groups the more I see how intimate it is, and that particular movie is the epitome of a toxic family dynamic. Even down to Kirk's "Mommy and Daddy stop fighting!" attitude.
The funniest thing in the whole movie is that therapist though. Ironically the most detached from reality of any of them.
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Post by ericn on Oct 23, 2018 8:07:23 GMT -6
It's still bizarre now to watch anything about Dave Mustaine and see how raw and hurt he still fundamentally is over how things went down in Metallica. He's very literally like a man who never got over a messy divorce. The longer I play in and deal with musical groups the more I see how intimate it is, and that particular movie is the epitome of a toxic family dynamic. Even down to Kirk's "Mommy and Daddy stop fighting!" attitude. The funniest thing in the whole movie is that therapist though. Ironically the most detached from reality of any of them. The entertainment business is full of guys who are bitter about “ what might have been”, probably more so than any other industry, they always assume that everything would be the same except they would be part of the success. My view on this is probably skewed by the fact that a good friend of my mine from youths father was in a similar situation only in the buisness world. He and his friends started a small specialty running store, he sold out his share in the early days and took a nice steady job. Well that small store grew into Eastbay, a multi- million dollar company that would eventually be sold off and is now Footlocker.com. He was never bitter, he realized he made choices that kept him from being a millionaire. Now “ therapists” come in all different colors, many are qualified professionals. There are also quite a few that are more about milking the situation and enabling more than treating simply to feed their wallets. Of course I’m the guy who left B- school after I realized buisness consults were more about keeping the client needing you rather than solving the problem. Yes House Of Lies was one ofthe most realist TV series of all time second to King Of The Hill.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 23, 2018 8:11:08 GMT -6
It's still bizarre now to watch anything about Dave Mustaine and see how raw and hurt he still fundamentally is over how things went down in Metallica. He's very literally like a man who never got over a messy divorce. The longer I play in and deal with musical groups the more I see how intimate it is, and that particular movie is the epitome of a toxic family dynamic. Even down to Kirk's "Mommy and Daddy stop fighting!" attitude. The funniest thing in the whole movie is that therapist though. Ironically the most detached from reality of any of them. One of my favorite scenes in the whole movie is when they fire the "therapist" and he's like, "I like what we've started... we could make so much more progress..." And they're like "F((*#$ you get out of here"
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