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Post by M57 on Oct 6, 2018 7:54:37 GMT -6
Is there anything here that you might recommend? Specifically, I was hoping folks might chime in on the Clariphonic, which is on sale for $120. I remember downloading the free version a year or two ago and not being particularly impressed (at least not at $200, which is what it was being sold for at the time).
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 6, 2018 13:33:15 GMT -6
I only bought some of the transformer and tube plugs for 25 bucks but I never good an receipt for my taxes by them - that was it for me with Weed-Audio. The plug ins are good, special the tube stuff is not bad.
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Post by schmalzy on Oct 6, 2018 16:25:05 GMT -6
Clariphonic is really nice for a number of things. Basically, it's a better high shelf for me. If I need sparkle or brightness but in a more refined way, Clariphonic does it.
I also use it on guitar buses a lot. If everything is just a bit too dark, use it to move that aggression forward.
Novatron gets used all over the place. It's a great compressor with saturation.
The Sly Fi (Kush's sister company) Axis is a super useful API-style EQ with saturation and the Deflector seems to be a darker and slightly more distorted Distressor. I use it on vocals and parallel stuff a lot.
The Omega plugins are also all over the place. Saturation with the flavor of a preamp. I dig 'em!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 7, 2018 8:36:18 GMT -6
I only bought some of the transformer and tube plugs for 25 bucks but I never good an receipt for my taxes by them - that was it for me with Weed-Audio. The plug ins are good, special the tube stuff is not bad. They’ve explained on their podcast how they aren’t interested in dealing with doing tax forms for every country available. I get where they are coming from - but also see how it can be pretty annoying for others outside the US
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 7, 2018 11:29:59 GMT -6
I only bought some of the transformer and tube plugs for 25 bucks but I never good an receipt for my taxes by them - that was it for me with Weed-Audio. The plug ins are good, special the tube stuff is not bad. They’ve explained on their podcast how they aren’t interested in dealing with doing tax forms for every country available. I get where they are coming from - but also see how it can be pretty annoying for others outside the US
Äh every other comapny does it UAD, Eventide etc. Its a simple form.
BTW if we talk VAT.
There VAT agrements with my country for example.
What they do is not only wrong, its illigeal as well.
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Post by M57 on Oct 7, 2018 16:18:51 GMT -6
Not good if they're avoiding tax requirements abroad, but they're above board in the US, right? Whenever I try to ascertain the cost/benefit of plugs like these, I look at what I consider the gold standard. In my case, the stock plugs in Logic. I.e. for $200 not only did I get a fantastic DAW, but they just added to the list of included EQs (at no charge!). So when I look at the the Clariphonic, I can't help but think that $120 is a hell of a lot of money to spend for what amounts to a one or two trick pony. Now on the other hand, their Novatron looks like a unique and versatile compressor. Logic comes with 5 pretty good ones, and I've got at least that many more aftermarket compressor plugs, but none of them do anything like what the Novatron seems to do. schmalzy I'm a mostly acoustic kind of guy. I.e piano - guitar - vocals - drums. Do you use it on these or do your find yourself using it more on synths?
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 7, 2018 17:53:52 GMT -6
Not good if they're avoiding tax requirements abroad, but they're above board in the US, right? Whenever I try to ascertain the cost/benefit of plugs like these, I look at what I consider the gold standard. In my case, the stock plugs in Logic. I.e. for $200 not only did I get a fantastic DAW, but they just added to the list of included EQs (at no charge!). So when I look at the the Clariphonic, I can't help but think that $120 is a hell of a lot of money to spend for what amounts to a one or two trick pony. Now on the other hand, their Novatron looks like a unique and versatile compressor. Logic comes with 5 pretty good ones, and I've got at least that many more aftermarket compressor plugs, but none of them do anything like what the Novatron seems to do. schmalzy I'm a mostly acoustic kind of guy. I.e piano - guitar - vocals - drums. Do you use it on these or do your find yourself using it more on synths? In the end 60% of my chains are hardware anyway.
Last mix with plugs only teached me one more time that the whole thing goes south without REAL GEAR!!!
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Post by M57 on Oct 7, 2018 18:14:31 GMT -6
I get it. But unfortunately, at this point in time, once ITB, I stay there. This is one of the reasons I've chosen to record with a real compressor in the chain whenever possible. I think if I ever went hybrid, I would probably start out with stereo gear on the 2-buss. Printing real gear while mixing just seems like two or three steps too many in the workflow for this singer/songwriter with a home studio. Yeah, I'd love to get a real Clariphonic - but there's no such thing as a real Novation - well because ..it's not possible - at least not realistically ..and if it's all it's cracked up to be, this is an example of where ITB 'gear' is valid.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 7, 2018 19:21:29 GMT -6
Not good if they're avoiding tax requirements abroad, but they're above board in the US, right? Whenever I try to ascertain the cost/benefit of plugs like these, I look at what I consider the gold standard. In my case, the stock plugs in Logic. I.e. for $200 not only did I get a fantastic DAW, but they just added to the list of included EQs (at no charge!). So when I look at the the Clariphonic, I can't help but think that $120 is a hell of a lot of money to spend for what amounts to a one or two trick pony. Now on the other hand, their Novatron looks like a unique and versatile compressor. Logic comes with 5 pretty good ones, and I've got at least that many more aftermarket compressor plugs, but none of them do anything like what the Novatron seems to do. schmalzy I'm a mostly acoustic kind of guy. I.e piano - guitar - vocals - drums. Do you use it on these or do your find yourself using it more on synths? In the end 60% of my chains are hardware anyway.
Last mix with plugs only teached me one more time that the whole thing goes south without REAL GEAR!!!
I think Tchad Blake would disagree with you on that one...
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Post by schmalzy on Oct 7, 2018 22:07:53 GMT -6
schmalzy I'm a mostly acoustic kind of guy. I.e piano - guitar - vocals - drums. Do you use it on these or do your find yourself using it more on synths? I'm not using it a lot on vocals. That's not to say it wouldn't do well there but I'm typically hitting vocals a couple ways and I'm often getting it elsewhere. Often Console1's default SSL compressor and, interestingly enough, from Kush's UBK-1 or from Sly Fi's Deflector. Great on piano. I like the way it handles the attack and I can blend two different types of saturation (the input and output saturations have different flavors) to push it forward if I need to. Acoustic guitar? I use it when I need something to hold something in place. I liked it various attack times and medium slow to slow release. I'll often hit acoustics with something(s) to handle the transient (limiter, clipper, transient designer) before it goes to Novatron. Novatron reacts in a way that feels similar to a hardware compressor. If the transients are big and spikey, Novatron can react to those in a way I'm not super fond of. Control the transients before it and things start to feel a lot better for me. Clean electric guitars? I like it a lot. It does a good job lengthening them. I don't often use it, though because I've already got Console1 on the channel and the compressor in it does well enough there. Distorted guitars? Not a strong opinion on. I'm often using a limiter on metal stuff to help 'em stay in your face or I'm not compressing at all (a little multi-band to control the 100-300 here and there). I'm sure it would do fine on other flavors of distorted guitar but I'm often not compressing them. Synths? Much of the time. Even if I'm just looking for some saturation flavors. Often slow attack to help the synths poke through then a medium release to hold 'em in place. Similar usage for stuff like horns. Not using it on bass very often. I'm sure I could but I just haven't been. On the bass bus I use ReaComp (one of Reaper's stock plugins) if I need fast and the Console1's SSL compressor if I don't need fast. I'm often splitting my bass into a couple bands and compressing the parts of the frequency range that need it before going to the bus. Love it on drums. I'm using my Console1 SSL compressor on the shells now but it was on a lot of my drum shells before. It's always on my drum bus. A little output saturation feels like it helps it hit harder, the attack grabs and controls or accentuates the transient really nicely (depending on settings, of course), the release curve feels good - I wish there was an auto release mode, though. Can be perfect for room mics. It's also on my mix bus whenever I'm not going out to my Stam SA4000 hardware. Sometimes I'll stay ITB because I expect a pile of revisions and sometimes the Stam just isn't the right compressor. I just used it for a live solo acoustic thing a guy sent me. Vocal and acoustic (the sound guy bused 'em to the same output...ugh...) and a pair of room mics. Some processing on each source then into a mostly Kush mastering chain: Hammer, Omega 458a, and Novatron on the master bus (plus a dynamic EQ and some volume-increasing stuff) and it turned out really cool. Novatron was set to slowest attack and 600ms-ish release. Nice glue and control without being obvious or heavy-handed. I use it a ton. It's processor heavy, though. Kush recently updated the plugin so you can turn the oversampling off/on for all the Novatron plugins in the session from a button on any of the Novatron plugin GUIs.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 8, 2018 4:16:51 GMT -6
In the end 60% of my chains are hardware anyway.
Last mix with plugs only teached me one more time that the whole thing goes south without REAL GEAR!!!
I think Tchad Blake would disagree with you on that one...
If it makes him happy I am happy for him too....its good if it works for him. In my book -special when there was no hardware involved in tracking- I need hardware in mixtime.
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Post by M57 on Oct 8, 2018 4:41:36 GMT -6
Tried Novation out on piano. Unlinked the saturation modes in order to tweak it to a happy place. I think read somewhere that it pushes odd harmonics on the way in and even harmonics on the way out. Between that and the tone shift, it was dead simple to dial in color and move it forward to where l wanted it in the mix. Purchased. schmalzy I can see why you wouldn't really use it for taming transients. This thing is a beast. Once you start playing with the saturation there's nothing subtle about it. Nothing to complain about but I can already think of ways they could improve on it. Mostly by offering swappable saturation modes and variable compression ratios and tone controls (I'm tempted to say that the dark and airy modes are a bit heavy-handed).
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Post by M57 on Oct 14, 2018 17:26:34 GMT -6
Just a note that while Novation rocks, it bogarts the CPU, and in a weird way. It took me a while to figure out what what going on. While recording (on a track with no active plugs) things start to crackle but not really break up. There were only 20 tracks in the project and it sounded like a hardware issue, so I started at the mic and worked back to the interface. Finally, after a mild panic attack, I realized I had too many instances of Novation on tap. Granted I was overusing the thing, but 4 or 5 seems to be all it can handle running on a 3.GHz 2017 iMac with 16 GB RAM. Time to use it on busses and/or start freezing tracks.
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Post by schmalzy on Oct 14, 2018 19:42:25 GMT -6
Just a note that while Novation rocks, it bogarts the CPU, and in a weird way. It took me a while to figure out what what going on. While recording (on a track with no active plugs) things start to crackle but not really break up. There were only 20 tracks in the project and it sounded like a hardware issue, so I started at the mic and worked back to the interface. Finally, after a mild panic attack, I realized I had too many instances of Novation on tap. Granted I was overusing the thing, but 4 or 5 seems to be all it can handle running on a 3.GHz 2017 iMac with 16 GB RAM. Time to use it on busses and/or start freezing tracks. Odd. I have something like 10 instances a lot of times - more sometimes - and it's not a problem. I'm using Reaper on a late 2015 iMac 2.8GHz i5 and 16GB Ram
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