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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2018 11:54:06 GMT -6
ya, we are saying the same thing and have the same concerns
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2018 12:04:38 GMT -6
ya, we are saying the same thing and have the same concerns And I took Stam at their word when they said identical to the original G circuit. Granted, the A and D were the draw for me so I didn't pay the G much attention other than to assume it was identical, but Stam DID say it would also have an identical G circuit, so I think that's what customers were expecting and paid for.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2018 12:08:44 GMT -6
It may be semantic but I guess one could say the circuit is the same: meaning the pcb/board; but then not have the transformer ?
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2018 12:10:43 GMT -6
It may be semantic but I guess one could say the circuit is the same: meaning the pcb/board; but then not have the transformer ? That's a pretty big omission.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2018 12:16:41 GMT -6
Well, I think we were told that the G did not have the transformers. What I don't understand is, why this was characterized as like or true to the original as it apparently isn't ?
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2018 12:21:15 GMT -6
Well, I think we were told that the G did not have the transformers. What I don't understand is, why this was characterized as like or true to the original as it apparently isn't ? I honestly can't keep it straight anymore after all of the changes. I just assumed that G meant G, whatever that circuit was or wasn't supposed to include.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2018 12:33:32 GMT -6
I think that part is correct, the ADG, has 3 distinct and correct circuits, (selected by 3 separate buttons) as per the original schematic.
The rub is that the original G did have the transformer that the ADG does not have in its G circuit ?
It seems tacitly that this is what is being offered in the upgrade (?) option, but we have to pay for the extra features transformer (stereo link and 2:1 ratio), whereas we bought the ADG, we were led to believe it was authentic to the original ?
So, one could argue, why then, do we have to pay for the upgrade to the F or should there be a discounted upgrade ?
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2018 12:40:46 GMT -6
Quite the mess. And could have been avoided.
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Post by lcr on Sept 26, 2018 12:43:44 GMT -6
(Popping popcorn)... I have a feeling nothing but tumble weeds.
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Post by stam on Sept 26, 2018 14:44:28 GMT -6
sighs ...
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 26, 2018 14:54:09 GMT -6
vintageking.com/blog/2017/12/1176-shootout/This is an interesting review comparison between a rev D and a rev F. Overall, the reviewer preferred the D on the sources he tried. Makes me think that I should roll with the ADG, as I picked it up mainly for the A and D rev's (that and the crazy good price). I'm curious to put this up next to my Splice and Pro Replicas.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 26, 2018 15:02:35 GMT -6
Just to add a voice of a different perspective, I'm not sweating a thing. I'll be thrilled when it shows up, but until then, it's not stopping me from doing my thing. Keep on keeping on, my man.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2018 16:25:25 GMT -6
The G will be clean like Stam said as it has no transformer and if you really want extra presence in the G circuit, I guess order the ADF ?
Other than that enjoy the A and D!
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Post by stam on Sept 26, 2018 17:00:11 GMT -6
It has never been my intention to cheat or mislead anybody and I never will.
This is the most complex design ever attempted on a 1176 which has taken months and months of tests and trials. The G revision was simply an icing on the cake as the main thing was having the A and D revision. For 499 USD (I should charge 999 USD or more for this unit because it really is a pain to build and design) there is only so much we can do.
I will edit the website text to reflect that I taken the liberty to make G transformer-less as we wanted a super clean circuit and in no way does it sound worse from the original. In fact, it sounds almost identical. I sicked to the original schematic and components and omitted using a third output transformer to make it price friendly.
If somebody feels mislead or bought the unit just because the G revision I am happy to refund you immediately. Alternatively I can add a transformer and charge you 100 USD extra for parts and labor. I would do it at no extra charge but the budget does not allow for it at 490 USD. These units are hand made in Chile with the finest components worldwide, we are already not making any money at 490 USD and I am not exaggerating.
Thanks Joshua
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 26, 2018 17:17:30 GMT -6
That’s a great option , so people can decide what their preference is.
Thx Joshua!
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Post by lcr on Sept 26, 2018 17:38:16 GMT -6
Thanks for the update Stam and glad to see you back. Well done on offering the transformer option sir.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 26, 2018 18:36:43 GMT -6
It has never been my intention to cheat or mislead anybody and I never will. This is the most complex design ever attempted on a 1176 which has taken months and months of tests and trials. The G revision was simply an icing on the cake as the main thing was having the A and D revision. For 499 USD (I should charge 999 USD or more for this unit because it really is a pain to build and design) there is only so much we can do. I will edit the website text to reflect that I taken the liberty to make G transformer-less as we wanted a super clean circuit and in no way does it sound worse from the original. In fact, it sounds almost identical. I sicked to the original schematic and components and omitted using a third output transformer to make it price friendly. If somebody feels mislead or bought the unit just because the G revision I am happy to refund you immediately. Alternatively I can add a transformer and charge you 100 USD extra for parts and labor. I would do it at no extra charge but the budget does not allow for it at 490 USD. These units are hand made in Chile with the finest components worldwide, we are already not making any money at 490 USD and I am not exaggerating. Thanks Joshua Thanks for clearing it up. “Problem” solved.
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Post by Quint on Sept 26, 2018 19:52:49 GMT -6
It has never been my intention to cheat or mislead anybody and I never will. This is the most complex design ever attempted on a 1176 which has taken months and months of tests and trials. The G revision was simply an icing on the cake as the main thing was having the A and D revision. For 499 USD (I should charge 999 USD or more for this unit because it really is a pain to build and design) there is only so much we can do. I will edit the website text to reflect that I taken the liberty to make G transformer-less as we wanted a super clean circuit and in no way does it sound worse from the original. In fact, it sounds almost identical. I sicked to the original schematic and components and omitted using a third output transformer to make it price friendly. If somebody feels mislead or bought the unit just because the G revision I am happy to refund you immediately. Alternatively I can add a transformer and charge you 100 USD extra for parts and labor. I would do it at no extra charge but the budget does not allow for it at 490 USD. These units are hand made in Chile with the finest components worldwide, we are already not making any money at 490 USD and I am not exaggerating. Thanks Joshua I don't think anyone was ever accusing you of trying to be misleading or cheat anyone. Maybe it was a language barrier thing? Either way, things were confusing and now it seems they've been reaonably cleared up here and over on GS, so thanks for that. The option to upgrade the transformer is a reasonable solution. I think I may just switch to the ADF if I decide to spend the extra $100 though. That silver and red faceplate does look pretty sharp. When is the deadline for people to contact you about switching to the ADF?
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Post by ragan on Sept 26, 2018 20:07:11 GMT -6
I'm actually pretty excited about a very clean 1176 option to go with the others.
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Post by lcr on Sept 26, 2018 20:35:47 GMT -6
^^ this
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Post by decasta on Sept 26, 2018 21:30:33 GMT -6
Anyone have the chance to test their existing 76 clones with the slate Dragon or serpent splice?
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Post by matt@IAA on Oct 1, 2018 8:18:43 GMT -6
I don't have anything to add but my brain keeps seeing this thread title as "Stam 76 AF"
And I keep wondering... what would cause someone to say "That is Stam 76 as f---!"?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 1, 2018 8:41:56 GMT -6
You need more or less coffee: you decide !
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Post by cademan7 on Mar 5, 2019 13:51:52 GMT -6
Joshua where are we at on the 76adf's shipping?
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