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Post by svart on Sept 21, 2018 11:50:15 GMT -6
Just saying this has to be the weirdest and somewhat illogical thread I've come across here, especially with phrases like "lets keep a semblance of open minds".. So we're close minded because a select handful of people like the same things? I've been on Windows for the last decade and a half (I love W7 / W8 as well), I was one of THE first adopters of the new MOTU line before that using <insert interface here>.. I even had the Gen1 UA PCI-E DSP accelerators (for PC) before I ever even joined a forum. I can't stand Windows 10 ever since they've turned it into a telemetry marketing OS with forced updates.. I use W10 at work and I've tried it for a DAW machines, it's sometimes fine until it goes wrong.. You might disagree and it might work fine for you which is good, still there's hundreds of pages on GS about W10 with a LOT of people having sporadic issues (mainly due to updates).. IF the point of this thread is to be some sort of "special snowflake" then go use Linux, it's free / fast / stable as hell and it's getting a lot more support from the industry nowadays.. The new Metric Halo 3D card supports Linux, Bitwig / Reaper runs well and there's an ever growing amount of VSTI's.. Whilst audio API's like ALSA can be a little messy, it can still pretty much do what core audio does. Again, end of the day like all audio equipment it doesn't matter what you use.. It's all preference like anything else, like chocolate vs. broccoli.. It's because I feel like every other thread has become a bandwagon of people telling someone why they should be mac with motu/UA and PT, regardless of the original question. This thread is just the antithesis of that, to let folks know that there are people who are happily and productively using alternatives, and that a vocal (majority?) don't necessarily speak for everyone. Nothing angry, and nothing meant as derogatory at all. In fact, i think the opposite of your concern is true, that those of us who use alternatives have felt on a number of occasions that we're considered less-than because we don't use the same as the "select few". It's just that to keep an open mind, we have to actively keep ourselves from becoming a hive mind around here. To do that we have to have alternate views expressed, but doing so seems to elicit ire from others when it's done in some threads. So instead of continuing to try to offer those views in those threads, a separate thread offering alternatives was created. I don't see why you have an issue with it, but it's curious that you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 13:57:28 GMT -6
Windows 10 Home 64 (love it, best Windows so far, been using Windows for audio for almost two decades now), RME HSDPe interface with external Crookwood conversion, outboard DAC/ADC loop, Audiomulch, iZotope RX7 Advanced, Sonoris DDP Creator and various VST plugins here. Everything (except the OS) still 32 bit. Mastering only. Have been looking into REAPER the last few months and loving what I see, may cross over fully if Audiomulch continues to be abandon-ware. Have also had Macs in the house for well over a decade, but would never attempt audio duties on one! That's just me though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 16:05:11 GMT -6
It's because I feel like every other thread has become a bandwagon of people telling someone why they should be mac with motu/UA and PT, regardless of the original question. This thread is just the antithesis of that, to let folks know that there are people who are happily and productively using alternatives, and that a vocal (majority?) don't necessarily speak for everyone. Nothing angry, and nothing meant as derogatory at all. In fact, i think the opposite of your concern is true, that those of us who use alternatives have felt on a number of occasions that we're considered less-than because we don't use the same as the "select few". It's just that to keep an open mind, we have to actively keep ourselves from becoming a hive mind around here. To do that we have to have alternate views expressed, but doing so seems to elicit ire from others when it's done in some threads. So instead of continuing to try to offer those views in those threads, a separate thread offering alternatives was created. I don't see why you have an issue with it, but it's curious that you do. Hive mind? C'mon that does sound somewhat derogatory, it's like calling people sheep..  Using a Mac or PC isn't going to make things sound better, it's a tool to do a job. Even though audio manufacturers have a tendency to target Mac simply due to simplicity (core audio, restricted hardware combinations although things are changing).. Outside of this family sized forum Mac is the minority, not the other way round and one could even say "pro-audio" in general is the minority.. This isn't GS mate, it seems to me most of us have an active disdain for elitist bullshit.. In the odd case it's happened even John's called them out on it, our own Ragan has a propensity towards 3U audio and the results speak for themselves. I have a thing for ISK mic's.. All cheap, lovely stuff that sounds great (where's the elitism there?).. I've cut tracks with stuff even some amateurs on various forums would stick their noses up at, so what? Whilst they bumble about I'll use whatever's given, it's the end product that matters not the tools the carpenter uses. I don't have an issue with exploring alternatives, hell I'm all for it. Being an audio forum the conversation pool can get a little dry without contrast, it's the message behind it that doesn't sit too well. |
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Post by svart on Sept 21, 2018 17:34:31 GMT -6
Nothing angry, and nothing meant as derogatory at all. In fact, i think the opposite of your concern is true, that those of us who use alternatives have felt on a number of occasions that we're considered less-than because we don't use the same as the "select few". It's just that to keep an open mind, we have to actively keep ourselves from becoming a hive mind around here. To do that we have to have alternate views expressed, but doing so seems to elicit ire from others when it's done in some threads. So instead of continuing to try to offer those views in those threads, a separate thread offering alternatives was created. I don't see why you have an issue with it, but it's curious that you do. Hive mind? C'mon that does sound somewhat derogatory, it's like calling people sheep.. Using a Mac or PC isn't going to make things sound better, it's a tool to do a job. Even though audio manufacturers have a tendency to target Mac simply due to simplicity (core audio, restricted hardware combinations although things are changing).. Outside of this family sized forum Mac is the minority, not the other way round and one could even say "pro-audio" in general is the minority.. This isn't GS mate, it seems to me most of us have an active disdain for elitist bullshit.. In the odd case it's happened even John's called them out on it, our own Ragan has a propensity towards 3U audio and the results speak for themselves. I have a thing for ISK mic's.. All cheap, lovely stuff that sounds great (where's the elitism there?).. I've cut tracks with stuff even some amateurs on various forums would stick their noses up at, so what? Whilst they bumble about I'll use whatever's given, it's the end product that matters not the tools the carpenter uses. I don't have an issue with exploring alternatives, hell I'm all for it. Being an audio forum the conversation pool can get a little dry without contrast, it's the message behind it that doesn't sit too well. I guess I was a little heavy handed with the descriptors, but I wanted my point to hit home. We aren't nearly at GS level of shaming, but I've seen tiny little sparks of condescension towards those not using the popular hardware and software and I just wanted to speak my mind on it. It's done, and I've said my peace. However, one could say that derogatory covers having your opinion called "weirdest and somewhat illogical" too, but who's counting? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 18:17:05 GMT -6
I guess I was a little heavy handed with the descriptors, but I wanted my point to hit home. We aren't nearly at GS level of shaming, but I've seen tiny little sparks of condescension towards those not using the popular hardware and software and I just wanted to speak my mind on it. It's done, and I've said my peace. However, one could say that derogatory covers having your opinion called "weirdest and somewhat illogical" too, but who's counting? One thing you'd learn about me Svart if you ever met me in person I'm so laid back I'm practically horizontal at all times, it takes something serious to get my back up.. You could call me a spoon shaped ballsack and I'd probably be in stitches for an hour even if that wasn't the intent. I'd probably slap a gold star on your head for creativity.. Although I will call people out on stuff, even if it's nothing more than a mere observation.. I've had it, one guy said to me if you don't have a "name brand" mixing console like Neve / API you'll never succeed (really he did).. I just sniggered and walked out. Still, I think it's silly.. If we really are "keeping an open mind" It doesn't MATTER what you use, your talent will be discerned by the end product. I'm not trying to whiz on your bonfire but just because someone uses Mac / UA / Logic it doesn't mean they're "close minded".. So lets get on with the good stuff, obsessing over equipment we don't need. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 21, 2018 18:23:11 GMT -6
If it doesn’t matter what equipment you use then why are we all here on a forum devoted to music equipment?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 18:43:47 GMT -6
If it doesn’t matter what equipment you use then why are we all here on a forum devoted to music equipment? How's about the social aspect being the main point? A bunch of passionate music and recording buffs sharing their perspective / opinions on equipment / music / life etc. sometimes it leads to a state of mind you didn't consider before or options you never considered. I've also gained friends over the years, which is cool.! Apart from that it's utterly pointless, it's like me telling someone they should like a new chocolate bar and they hate it.. Nobody but you know's how your ears will respond to a set of monitors, I've not a clue what microphone you prefer on yours or someone else's voice. The only way to know is if YOU try it and like it. So when I say it "doesn't matter", I mean it in the sense it's pointless arguing about it and there's zero need for condescension any which way. You do what works for you.!! |
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Post by michaelcleary on Sept 22, 2018 17:50:52 GMT -6
for years I used a Fostex D160, and tracked a couple of albums on it thru outboard pres and comps and mixed thru a Sountracs Solo mixer. Then I upgraded to an Alesis HD24 and mixed thru an APB Dynasonics 32.4 (amazing board) to a Masterlink. Great setup that worked for our last album. Then I took the plunge a couple of years ago and got a macbook pro and a MOTU 16a. Haven't looked back since as I am all in the box now. Unlimited tracks? what a concept! Although having limitations certainly does increase your decision making and speeds up ones productivity....
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Post by allbuttonmode on Sept 24, 2018 2:50:20 GMT -6
I'm on Cubase/Reaper/Wavelab into Lynx Auroras, feeding a console, then back in through a B2 Bomber ADC.
I do have an Apollo Twin and an 8P blackface for mobile recording, though. Running Cubase or Reaper as well. I've yet to compare the Apollo to the Auroras. But when things calm down a bit, a test will be done.
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