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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 7, 2018 19:58:21 GMT -6
I'm curious about the 1290 also? Sounds great John. That VP28Platinum is smooth, not just smooth, but damn smooth!
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 7, 2018 20:09:49 GMT -6
In the Gannon Sweetwater review he mentions, the apollo has two crystal clocks: one at 44.1 plus its multiples and the other at 48, plus its multiples. This significantly reduces all the normal math going on and reduces jitter artifacts.
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Post by mhep on Sept 7, 2018 20:20:31 GMT -6
Main (monitor) outs on the X have higher specs than the line outs, unlike the other Apollos.
129dB A weighted on the monitor outs and 127dB on the line.
That's the regular units. The x16 has 133dB dynamic range. Really getting close to the limitations of 24-bit!
Both AD and DA out spec the Symphony I/O mlI, which is impressive. Obviously specs aren't the sound, but the limited feedback I've heard speaks very highly.
If they keep up with my Symphonies i'm happy.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2018 20:27:16 GMT -6
Main (monitor) outs on the X have higher specs than the line outs, unlike the other Apollos. 129dB A weighted on the monitor outs and 127dB on the line. That's the regular units. The x16 has 133dB dynamic range. Really getting close to the limitations of 24-bit! I wonder if that means they put a "better channel" in for the main pairs, like a high end DAC kind of thing or some parts of the X16 or something. Anyway, that's interesting.
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Post by mhep on Sept 7, 2018 20:30:10 GMT -6
Main (monitor) outs on the X have higher specs than the line outs, unlike the other Apollos. 129dB A weighted on the monitor outs and 127dB on the line. That's the regular units. The x16 has 133dB dynamic range. Really getting close to the limitations of 24-bit! I wonder if that means they put a "better channel" in for the main pairs, like a high end DAC kind of thing or some parts of the X16 or something. Anyway, that's interesting. I got the impression it might be parallel processing with the DACs for the monitor channels.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2018 20:35:45 GMT -6
I wonder if that means they put a "better channel" in for the main pairs, like a high end DAC kind of thing or some parts of the X16 or something. Anyway, that's interesting. I got the impression it might be parallel processing with the DACs for the monitor channels. A big part of that is PCB available physical space and layout. It would be really smart if they "pimped up" the monitor channels. Since those are the most important in any case.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2018 20:45:08 GMT -6
I'm curious about the 1290 also? Sounds great John. That VP28Platinum is smooth, not just smooth, but damn smooth! You need one
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2018 21:28:12 GMT -6
Interesting that the monitor outs have higher specs on the Xs compared to the other way around on the older models.
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Post by lcr on Sept 7, 2018 21:43:54 GMT -6
“On par with the Kemper” - do tell more.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2018 21:55:01 GMT -6
Need to track a song with it to really get my feet wet. I have always kindve liked the Friedman amps on UAD but they just seemed better. Same with the Marshall Plexi.
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Post by donr on Sept 7, 2018 22:10:42 GMT -6
John, are you saying teh X box makes better sounding recordings with Unison pres/plugs than previous Apollos? I couldn't play your clips without downloading them, I'm on the road.
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Post by drsax on Sept 7, 2018 23:49:17 GMT -6
Glad to hear your initial feeling is positive Johnkenn - I’ll likely upgrade from my mkii’s next year
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Post by guitfiddler on Sept 8, 2018 2:05:03 GMT -6
I'm curious about the 1290 also? Sounds great John. That VP28Platinum is smooth, not just smooth, but damn smooth! You need one I need at least two! 🤟🏻
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Post by Drew @ UA on Sept 8, 2018 6:47:24 GMT -6
I wonder if you're talking about specs. in that case, I would have assumed the lessened specs would have come from the analog attenuation, the monitor control part of the circuit. I just would find it really silly if UA would have under-specced their main outputs. The digitally controlled analog volume control is what I had read was causing the decrease in fidelity. The amp is gone now. You'll notice with Apollo X there's no option in Console to bypass it. If you're using an X with a 3rd party Monitor Controller, you simply turn the CR volume all the way up and leave it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2018 8:10:45 GMT -6
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Post by lcr on Sept 8, 2018 8:46:48 GMT -6
Need to track a song with it to really get my feet wet. I have always kindve liked the Friedman amps on UAD but they just seemed better. Same with the Marshall Plexi. I always liked the Ampeg stuff and the 2203.
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Post by Guitar on Sept 8, 2018 9:01:35 GMT -6
I like the Ampeg bass amps and the Friedman Buxom Betty guitar amp. Those are my go-to software amps I guess.
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Post by Quint on Sept 8, 2018 9:06:47 GMT -6
The digitally controlled analog volume control is what I had read was causing the decrease in fidelity. The amp is gone now. You'll notice with Apollo X there's no option in Console to bypass it. If you're using an X with a 3rd party Monitor Controller, you simply turn the CR volume all the way up and leave it. So was the intention to make the monitor outs at least slightly superior to the line outs on the x8 and x16? The difference in specs seems to indicate that there is some sort of difference in build between the two.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 8, 2018 9:48:38 GMT -6
Interesting tracks John, thanks. They all sound good, mostly its a personal preference I think, and dependent on the track it goes in.
The Helios was unusual, I could think of a couple of criticisms, maybe it's a little thin, maybe a slightly harsh peak, but there was something special there I really like, and it's possible I'd prefer that to the others in a track.
I'm waiting for your comparison to the Symphony's sound, that's a deal maker I think. Still, the increased dsp over my Duo, and better conversion is tempting, even if the Symphony does edge it out sonically.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2018 9:53:22 GMT -6
I think the biggest issue with the Apollo pres is that they’re IC’s. Just the nature of the beast no matter what you do. Just gonna be smaller an less beefy. But as Joey mentioned in a text to me. Post Malone’s producer used Apollo pres and it spent weeks at the top of the charts. It’s not like you can’t make great recordings.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 8, 2018 10:28:13 GMT -6
What do the Symphony pres have that's different? I actually don't care that much abut the Apollo pres, I usually use an outboard preamp, and would probably add a few other pres. I use the Apollo pres for less critical things occasionally. It's comparing the sound of the A/D-D/A I'm most curious about, especially vs the Symphony.
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Post by matt on Sept 8, 2018 10:29:15 GMT -6
Interesting that the monitor outs have higher specs on the Xs I think Antelope has been doing this for a while. Makes sense. Many of us have high-spec AD/DA for 2-bus in/out and it would be convenient to not need the DA side- or have it available elsewhere.
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Post by Quint on Sept 8, 2018 10:44:08 GMT -6
Interesting that the monitor outs have higher specs on the Xs I think Antelope has been doing this for a while. Makes sense. Many of us have high-spec AD/DA for 2-bus in/out and it would be convenient to not need the DA side- or have it available elsewhere. Agreed. Assuming that the monitor outs are at that level of quality, it would be nice to have that additional pair for monitoring things like looping in and back out of my 2192.
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Post by bigbone on Sept 8, 2018 11:54:38 GMT -6
I think the biggest issue with the Apollo pres is that they’re IC’s. Just the nature of the beast no matter what you do. Just gonna be smaller an less beefy. But as Joey mentioned in a text to me. Post Malone’s producer used Apollo pres and it spent weeks at the top of the charts. It’s not like you can’t make great recordings. That's why i will have to try the Apollo Vs the Slate interface. The Slate pre's were design by Paul Wolf ( API) . i gues he know about preamp.dosn't mean the Slate pre's are better,it's just a good start !!!! If i can save $$$ on the pre's why not !!!!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2018 11:57:28 GMT -6
I think the biggest issue with the Apollo pres is that they’re IC’s. Just the nature of the beast no matter what you do. Just gonna be smaller an less beefy. But as Joey mentioned in a text to me. Post Malone’s producer used Apollo pres and it spent weeks at the top of the charts. It’s not like you can’t make great recordings. That's why i will have to try the Apollo Vs the Slate interface. The Slate pre's were design by Paul Wolf ( API) . i gues he know about preamp.dosn't mean the Slate pre's are better,it's just a good start !!!! If i can save $$$ on the pre's why not !!!!! Oh cool. Didn’t know that. They’re still Ic’s Right?
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