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Post by mrholmes on Aug 26, 2018 15:01:23 GMT -6
Hi Folks.
I am working hard on my personal music. After work I came across the New Product Alert section on the other blue forum.
I have to say I am fully coverd if I have to do it ITB.
Classic compression/limiting part LA2A / 1176 / SSL G etc. the stock logic plugs servee me fine.
Logc stock EQs just do fine, also some of the logic verbs sound great. nd many other logic stock plugs just sound as good to my ears.
If there is something needed with more finesse I use the Slate bundle. I am coverd with everything that makes sense to get it done.
I need something that makes my day easier. I do not need 1000 digital Versions of an 1176. I do not need another Limiter....
I do not need another verb, yes maybe the BM7 thing as plug in.
Slates VMR was a good idea to make mixing ITB faster.
Apple should think about how they can make this even better.
I would love to see all plugs of a chain in one window... so to say one click and the whole strip chain is on screen. This ould save tons of time if mixing ITB is the only option.
Cheers...
A.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 26, 2018 15:14:21 GMT -6
I’m sort of on the opposite side of the spectrum.
Fast and Mix don’t particularly belong in the same sentence IMO. I like to make deliberate decisions after listening and thinking about what I’m doing and how I’m going to get there.
What’s the rush anyway?
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Post by drbill on Aug 26, 2018 15:27:37 GMT -6
I want a plugin that will analyze my psyche, my mixes, my esthetic and then do it for me so I don't have to.....
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 26, 2018 20:25:51 GMT -6
Innovative?
What do you mean by "innovative"?
There are only so many things you can do to an audio signal. You can accomplish these things in ways that have, perhaps, different characters, but at the end of the day they're still the same few processes, unless maybe you're talking about "out there" special effects which generally are really cool the first time or few they're used but tend to get really old really fast.
It's like asking for "innovative" paint brushes and pallette knives.
It's really not about how "innovative" your tools are - it's about how innovative YOU are, assuming, of course, that "innovation" is actually your artistic goal....
Or, to use a different analogy, I probably don't want my steak to be "innovative", I want my steak to be GOOD.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 26, 2018 20:31:05 GMT -6
Mrholmes, I have the Waves Mercury bundle (with 150 plugs or more), plenty of UAD plugs, and a huge asst. of plugs from Soundtoys, Softube, Eventide, and so many others. With all the plug-in firepower I have and have used, here's what I'd suggest. Cherry pick 5-10 plug-ins, and it will improve your mixes a whole lot, just don't fall for the plug-in hype and overbuy.
My Must Have recommendations: Don't think you don't need more reverbs, it's the single most important effect after you track.
Get the Sound Toys Little Plate when it's on sale for $29 again. It's actually closer to the real EMT-140 than UAD's is, and they give you 5 different plates, it just feels very close to a real plate.
Next, get the $60 limited version of Liquid Sonics Seventh Heaven Bricasti emulation reverb. I have the fantastic Relab XL480 (costs $400), and a dozen more reverbs, the 7th Heaven has supplanted them all and is now my first reverb on every track. Tracks just sound cleaner and clearer, bigger and more pro, something like what a Bricasti actually does.
UAD's Oxide tape sim is the only tape sim that ever made me feel kind of like I was listening to tape, including their well done Ampeg ATR-102. The ATR-102 has been the first plug on my 2 bus for 5 years, it's simple, and improves sound greatly. If you don't have a UAD satellite or Apollo, search out one good tape sim.
I've must have had tried most of the 2 bus mastering compressors around, and the good old Waves L2 is still the easiest to use. I can't say it's the best because I haven't tried all the well known brands or new designs, but I've tried a least 10 of them, and the L2 still does the trick quickly.
So far I've listed 2 reverbs, a tape sim, and a mastering compressor. I do like Slate VBC compressors, they have Focusrite, SSL and a proprietary one similar to the Shadow Hills. But I'll leave it there and let the other guys fill in the blanks. I think I'd suggest you look into the the Fab Filter pro L2 * the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven and Soundtoys Little Plate alone will up your game instantly. I don't know if they offer demos, but it's worth checking out.
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Post by popmann on Aug 26, 2018 22:41:55 GMT -6
I think you'd be looking at the wrong place in plug in devs...if you want innovative, it will need to come from the DAW end. I could name 15 features I'd LOVE to have in a music creation environment--some of those DAW related, some MIDI/content creation related. I think every single ONE would have to be hooked into the DAW function at a core level that plug ins inserted here and there can't provide. Some you could try through some elaborate side chain routings...and I see plug in devs doing that now...but...that's just stupid and then requires the user to know more about 101 signal flow than I can PROVE they don't.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 27, 2018 2:20:45 GMT -6
Softube Console 1 did it for me.
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Post by lcr on Aug 27, 2018 4:44:23 GMT -6
I will never hope developers stop making new plugin versions of classic hardware. They all keep getting better. Maybe only .05 % better, maybe 10% better, but stopping this improvement is not something I hope happens. Also just because these are constantly being released doesnt mean you have to buy In, I certainly don’t. Innovative, yes. New and never done before, yes. Stop improving what we already have, no.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 27, 2018 5:09:27 GMT -6
My fault I talk workflow on the screen. If I have four big plug in windows openit gets stupid. It should be the case that I can see all possible parameters in one window.
I am not talking sound anymore some plug ins sound pretty good and it still is hybrid for me. But sometimes its pure ITB becasue time is tight.... kids, family, making money etc.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 27, 2018 5:27:45 GMT -6
My fault I talk workflow on the screen. If I have four big plug in windows openit gets stupid. It should be the case that I can see all possible parameters in one window. I am not talking sound anymore some plug ins sound pretty good and it still is hybrid for me. But sometimes its pure ITB becasue time is tight.... kids, family, making money etc. Have you considered a 2nd screen to just use for plug views? I’ve got a few buddies that do it this way. They have huge screens and have their channel plugs opened in their own logical way and never close them.
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Post by lcr on Aug 27, 2018 6:09:34 GMT -6
I use an OLD screen off to the right, full of plugins running. Its all 2 buss stuff, transport, track color selection, metering, etc.
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Post by ericn on Aug 27, 2018 7:55:55 GMT -6
I’m going to sound like a cynic, innovation doesn’t pay the rent in the world of plugins another 1176 does. Sorry but it’s true, it’s why most of what the big boys offer are digital versions of rack classics. It’s why even the innovative little guys offer an LA2 or 1176, they have to eat!
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Post by popmann on Aug 27, 2018 8:46:34 GMT -6
Ill up that cynicism with pointing out how little chance that mine comes to fruition becuase frankly—if i made an app tomorrow that you open up and play your song into....and a band just accompanied you in real time, then once you liked it all you hit “mix&master”, answer a few questions....and out comes a directory of 128mp3 to MFiT to 24/96 linear....no one would buy it. Maybe not no one....but, “wait, I cant tune my voice with my Melodyne Super Duper Deluxe i bought?” I dont like the snare drum sound in that band, cant I use my SuperiorSlate4 snares? What kind of app cant tab to tranisent? I like the way Logics swipe to comp works better. How do you handle parallel compression?
...and its dead. Best I could hope for is to be bought out by Presonus or something to have pieces parts included with a new S1 release.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 27, 2018 9:15:15 GMT -6
I found the Soothe plug to be innovative.
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Post by christopher on Aug 27, 2018 10:14:54 GMT -6
My fault I talk workflow on the screen. If I have four big plug in windows openit gets stupid. It should be the case that I can see all possible parameters in one window. I am not talking sound anymore some plug ins sound pretty good and it still is hybrid for me. But sometimes its pure ITB becasue time is tight.... kids, family, making money etc. Good idea, like if plugins came with a small minimalist skin with tiny knobs? It could be nice, then I could have a ton of parameters visible in the edit window. I do spend a ton of time opening and closing plugins because of screen real estate. But my biggest waste is when I don't take time to assign the tracks a color. So simple, I don't know why I hate doing it.
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Post by lcr on Aug 27, 2018 10:31:09 GMT -6
^^ great idea, even better if the user can select what parameters to view saving even more space.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:32:01 GMT -6
Loads of innovative/"not copying old hardware" plugins out there, you just aren't looking hard enough, go and check out KVR!
Some innovative plugin developers: AirWindows, Valhalla DSP, Tokyo Dawn Labs, DMG, Voxengo, Sonoris, Klanghelm etc.
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Post by askomiko on Aug 27, 2018 10:36:34 GMT -6
Zynaptiq Adaptiverb? Craziest reverb in existence.
The FabFilter plugins in general are the king of usability, so quick and nice to use that I use them as much as I can.
Soothe does something that hasn't existed before.
Everything from Airwindows is outside the box.
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 27, 2018 11:43:28 GMT -6
Melda Audio has some great plugins. All the ones I’ve owned have user definable gui’s so you can arrange the window and customize it how you like. Also, they don’t seem to be copying anyone.
The Auto Dynamic Eq they make is awesome. Especially when you use the sidechain.
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 27, 2018 14:51:35 GMT -6
My fault I talk workflow on the screen. If I have four big plug in windows openit gets stupid. It should be the case that I can see all possible parameters in one window. I am not talking sound anymore some plug ins sound pretty good and it still is hybrid for me. But sometimes its pure ITB becasue time is tight.... kids, family, making money etc. Good idea, like if plugins came with a small minimalist skin with tiny knobs? It could be nice, then I could have a ton of parameters visible in the edit window. I do spend a ton of time opening and closing plugins because of screen real estate. But my biggest waste is when I don't take time to assign the tracks a color. So simple, I don't know why I hate doing it. Jupp another thing in Logic is I cant color the whole channel strip, I am calling for this since 14 years.
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Post by popmann on Aug 28, 2018 8:35:00 GMT -6
I think you could examine your workflow itself.
I mean, if that's the point you want innovated. I've heard so often the need to have everything in one UI....and I get that. It's why people like that Reaper construct....it's why Slate does his MixRack....etc....but, I'd counter that with I can LOOK at my virtual mixer as SEE everything I'm doing quickly, because I try my best to not use those thing. I don't constantly open plug ins. If there's a Waves LP Lowband, I am high passing that channel. Obviously, I have to open it to adjust, but are you REALLY constantly opening and adjusting, or opening to see what all's going on with the channel?
I HATE Slate's Mixrack. Turned me off to the whole thing for that reason. So....now....I just see "VMR" on a track and mentally note that I'm dong what? Right--open it up and see--is it a subtle circuit emu or a Monster 1176 crushfest? It is a custom shop EQ or a dirty Neve EQ? Is it...there's actually no real visual feedback from systems like that and Console 1. And, I didn't even know that was important to my workflow until it was removed....but, I guess it comes from glancing around the analog mixer....turn head look at rack gear....
While I'm sure I'm in the minority with that, since everything seem to be moving that way....I just demo'd the Schepps Omni thing and thought "this is fucking nuts--I can't really tell what's on while it's OPEN! Let alone as soon as I close it..."
Now--I'll tie that back into what I was saying about innovation coming from the DAW.....as a plug in, I find that thing useless...but, what if that was just "the channel" of every channel on the DAW....and some fraction of what is now the "plug space" of the mixer is a bunch of little inidcators--maybe some innovative space conscious single display that shows in/out levels....gain reduction of compressor....clippers on/off....EQ curve (like Logic's channel EQs do)....what if all that was just nested around the main fader meters? and a single button opened the OmniChannel to adjust all those in the one....a plug in macker can't DO that....the DAW maker has to...
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Post by lcr on Aug 28, 2018 9:47:42 GMT -6
Yep, not being able to relabel VMR with what its doing is a little bit of a time waster and visually not good when overviewing what you’ve got going on. I like the rack aspect of it, along with Soundtoys because it makes me realize, “oh yeah, Slate has a (fill in the blank) version of what Im going to do next, let me try the slate version”
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Post by lcr on Aug 28, 2018 9:48:45 GMT -6
Didnt Slate mention somewhere recently individual versions will happen?
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Post by Drew @ UA on Aug 30, 2018 0:01:32 GMT -6
Ah, but there are still so many cool pieces of hardware out there that we haven't modeled yet!! We think it's our job to bring as many of those classic tools to as many music makers as possible!!
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Post by lcr on Aug 30, 2018 4:42:51 GMT -6
^^ LA-3A mk 2 & SPX90
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