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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 24, 2018 21:25:21 GMT -6
Anyone have some killer ones? I’m really tempted to buy the Blackbird trigger samples...didn’t know if there were any great ones out there. I believe Noah Shain uploaded some a couple years ago...I use some of those...
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Post by ragan on Aug 24, 2018 22:49:14 GMT -6
Anyone have some killer ones? I’m really tempted to buy the Blackbird trigger samples...didn’t know if there were any great ones out there. I believe Noah Shain uploaded some a couple years ago...I use some of those... I’ve got Blackbird. There is some cool stuff in there but I don’t dig them as much as the SD3/Indiependent stuff that you already have.
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Post by Bender on Aug 25, 2018 0:39:21 GMT -6
I know lots of pro's do it and not to hijack the thread, but...from a purist standpoint, if I refuse to use them even if they help, is that blasphemy?
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Post by lcr on Aug 25, 2018 5:47:33 GMT -6
I almost always use trigger. Lately I attempt to tune a snare close and room to original, also a beater & sub kick sample, sometimes kick room also. Mostly use CLA’s trigger pack, sometimes Dates or Bendeth’s. I dont have Blackbird. The snare & kick room samples I send to a room buss along with real rooms and it becomes part of the room sound. Im sure Blackbird samples are great, what Im using is working. I will say Ive experimented with using multiple samples, Some people (including some pro’s) like to stack an insane amount. I seem to get a better result using only 1. Like I mentioned I’ll use the close, room, sometimes OH, of that sample but I only use 1.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Aug 25, 2018 6:01:09 GMT -6
Get good drums new Modern and Massive kit is great if you are after big in-tune drums. Just purchased Progressive and Rock foundry which I know you have. They are great. I have all the SSD stuff but they have fallen out of favour of the above mentioned.
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Post by swurveman on Aug 25, 2018 6:52:07 GMT -6
I use CLA Drums from Trigger as well, but record rock bands. Good variety of samples for that genre.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 25, 2018 7:24:18 GMT -6
I know lots of pro's do it and not to hijack the thread, but...from a purist standpoint, if I refuse to use them even if they help, is that blasphemy? I’m generally with you on this one - but for modern rock “radio” it’s necessary and I get why a lot of my buddies do it.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 25, 2018 7:25:25 GMT -6
Anyone have some killer ones? I’m really tempted to buy the Blackbird trigger samples...didn’t know if there were any great ones out there. I believe Noah Shain uploaded some a couple years ago...I use some of those... I have a bunch I’ll try to send you later today
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Post by svart on Aug 25, 2018 8:54:13 GMT -6
You want raw drum sounds, or pre-processed?
I'm tracking drums this weekend and can supply some real raw samples.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 8:56:43 GMT -6
I know lots of pro's do it and not to hijack the thread, but...from a purist standpoint, if I refuse to use them even if they help, is that blasphemy? Maybe if I was getting tracks where A) They spent more than ten minutes setting up mics, B) The engineer really knew what they were doing, I might leave the kit the way it was recorded...but I rarely get that. Plus, for big pop sounding stuff, the quirkiness of specific kicks aren’t exactly what you’re looking for.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 8:56:57 GMT -6
You want raw drum sounds, or pre-processed? I'm tracking seems this weekend and can supply some real raw tracks. Raw
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 9:02:47 GMT -6
Anyone have some killer ones? I’m really tempted to buy the Blackbird trigger samples...didn’t know if there were any great ones out there. I believe Noah Shain uploaded some a couple years ago...I use some of those... I’ve got Blackbird. There is some cool stuff in there but I don’t dig them as much as the SD3/Indiependent stuff that you already have. Have you found a better way to do it other than using the tracker option? I agree with you, there are some killer sounds in there...and I’ve used tracker before for K&S supplement...but it’s a multi step process. Seems like someone was saying you can find the raw sound and pop it into trigger. But it is definitely nice to tweak it in the SD mixer with all the additional mics. I’ve also had this problem. When I get it into tracker and then convert it to midi, I find it has some bad alignment issues. I.e., it never lines up when trying to drag the whole song. It will usually do about a vs and chorus correctly, then gets out of line. So then I just have to go in start from the second verse. Kind of a pita.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 25, 2018 9:07:44 GMT -6
I’ve got Blackbird. There is some cool stuff in there but I don’t dig them as much as the SD3/Indiependent stuff that you already have. Have you found a better way to do it other than using the tracker option? I agree with you, there are some killer sounds in there...and I’ve used tracker before for K&S supplement...but it’s a multi step process. Seems like someone was saying you can find the raw sound and pop it into trigger. But it is definitely nice to tweak it in the SD mixer with all the additional mics. I’ve also had this problem. When I get it into tracker and then convert it to midi, I find it has some bad alignment issues. I.e., it never lines up when trying to drag the whole song. It will usually do about a vs and chorus correctly, then gets out of line. So then I just have to go in start from the second verse. Kind of a pita. I’ve found that nothing ever lines things up exactly. I’ve spent a fair amount of time doing session setup work for heavy rock records, and I always have to go through and line up samples by hand. It’s a total pain in the ass but it’s the only way to make things perfectly accurate. I basically don’t trust any plugin or program to get things right - cause for the most part, they don’t. And if somebody isn’t paying attention, some whacky shit can sneak through.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 9:10:31 GMT -6
I don’t want to have to actually WORK.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 25, 2018 9:45:52 GMT -6
I hear the new AiAE plug in from Numnutz is just great: drop it on the 2 buss =perfect mix !
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Post by ragan on Aug 25, 2018 11:44:05 GMT -6
I’ve got Blackbird. There is some cool stuff in there but I don’t dig them as much as the SD3/Indiependent stuff that you already have. Have you found a better way to do it other than using the tracker option? I agree with you, there are some killer sounds in there...and I’ve used tracker before for K&S supplement...but it’s a multi step process. Seems like someone was saying you can find the raw sound and pop it into trigger. But it is definitely nice to tweak it in the SD mixer with all the additional mics. I’ve also had this problem. When I get it into tracker and then convert it to midi, I find it has some bad alignment issues. I.e., it never lines up when trying to drag the whole song. It will usually do about a vs and chorus correctly, then gets out of line. So then I just have to go in start from the second verse. Kind of a pita. I’ve used the tracker with good success here. But yeah, you could bounce out a WAV of an SD3 hit, throw it in your kick or snare folder for Trigger and voila. But that’s a one shot kinda thing. If you want nuance/ghosting or any of that, gotta use tracker. Have you hit up TT support for the mis-alignment issue?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 12:58:15 GMT -6
Have you found a better way to do it other than using the tracker option? I agree with you, there are some killer sounds in there...and I’ve used tracker before for K&S supplement...but it’s a multi step process. Seems like someone was saying you can find the raw sound and pop it into trigger. But it is definitely nice to tweak it in the SD mixer with all the additional mics. I’ve also had this problem. When I get it into tracker and then convert it to midi, I find it has some bad alignment issues. I.e., it never lines up when trying to drag the whole song. It will usually do about a vs and chorus correctly, then gets out of line. So then I just have to go in start from the second verse. Kind of a pita. I’ve used the tracker with good success here. But yeah, you could bounce out a WAV of an SD3 hit, throw it in your kick or snare folder for Trigger and voila. But that’s a one shot kinda thing. If you want nuance/ghosting or any of that, gotta use tracker. Have you hit up TT support for the mis-alignment issue? I don't want to actually WORK... lol
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 12:59:27 GMT -6
I think - though - that's why the tracker thing sounds really good. There are different round robins on the kit pieces. Never really thought about it that way, but it's much harder to detect samples that way.
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Post by jeromemason on Aug 25, 2018 15:55:37 GMT -6
Cubase had a Country kit for the drummer thing they put out and I remember it having some really killer sounds. I guess you'd have to trigger on a recording track and then use the Slate sample maker to create a sample.... You could just use the .wav, but, if you do like a 6-10 velocity of each drum and use the Slate sample maker thing it'll create those velocity layers and it will sound way more realistic.
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Post by Ward on Aug 25, 2018 16:11:08 GMT -6
Anyone have some killer ones? I’m really tempted to buy the Blackbird trigger samples...didn’t know if there were any great ones out there. I believe Noah Shain uploaded some a couple years ago...I use some of those... Have you heard the drum samples in an p;ld Yamaha Motif8 keyboard? Seriously usable. I mean, if you've listened to pop music lately, you're hearing them. 5 seconds of summer, Niall Horan, Lovely the Band, Nick Jonas, imagine dragons. et al . . . that kind of stuff. Nice when you hold on to a workstation and its sounds come back in vogue again! Can I attach an MP3 of some samples here?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 16:28:19 GMT -6
Cubase had a Country kit for the drummer thing they put out and I remember it having some really killer sounds. I guess you'd have to trigger on a recording track and then use the Slate sample maker to create a sample.... You could just use the .wav, but, if you do like a 6-10 velocity of each drum and use the Slate sample maker thing it'll create those velocity layers and it will sound way more realistic. Or just keep superior 3 up and track the kick and snare. Seems like the easiest method.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 25, 2018 16:39:08 GMT -6
Ugh, so depressing, homogeneity. I don't ever even think about samples unless what's there is hopeless, and that's usually the kick. If I need a sample I steal it from something else I've recorded myself. Luddite on this question.
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Post by Ward on Aug 25, 2018 16:56:49 GMT -6
Cubase had a Country kit for the drummer thing they put out and I remember it having some really killer sounds. I guess you'd have to trigger on a recording track and then use the Slate sample maker to create a sample.... You could just use the .wav, but, if you do like a 6-10 velocity of each drum and use the Slate sample maker thing it'll create those velocity layers and it will sound way more realistic. Or just keep superior 3 up and track the kick and snare. Seems like the easiest method. I'm telling you, MIDI is still an option. Let's see if the attachment goes through this time . . . 124 Grooves.mp3 (1.57 MB) Just standard kits out of Yammy Motif-8 from about 11 years ago, back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 25, 2018 17:08:40 GMT -6
Or just keep superior 3 up and track the kick and snare. Seems like the easiest method. I'm telling you, MIDI is still an option. Let's see if the attachment goes through this time . . . View AttachmentJust standard kits out of Yammy Motif-8 from about 11 years ago, back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth. Er...not really what I’m looking for.
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Post by Guitar on Aug 25, 2018 17:11:50 GMT -6
I know lots of pro's do it and not to hijack the thread, but...from a purist standpoint, if I refuse to use them even if they help, is that blasphemy? Maybe if I was getting tracks where A) They spent more than ten minutes setting up mics, B) The engineer really knew what they were doing, I might leave the kit the way it was recorded...but I rarely get that. Plus, for big pop sounding stuff, the quirkiness of specific kicks aren’t exactly what you’re looking for. That's the only way I use samples too. If something needs rescuing. I guess I'm not really into the idea of homogenous sounding bands either. I don't listen to any of those bands. But if a drum track has some bad flaws and needs to be presentable... samples can come in to save the day. Sampling, however, as a technique, that's something I'm very interested in. I guess drawing from electronic influenced music, and bands that have feet in different genres.
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