|
|
Post by winetree on Jul 30, 2018 16:30:01 GMT -6
I know we're all familiar with moving coil headphones, whether open, closed, etc. But has anybody tried or use Planar type headphones? They use a thin membrane surrounded by magnets for a faster, transparent, opened sound. I've never used ear buds before but I bought these and I was amazed with the frequency response and the you-are-there environment. www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=27278Neither one of these are the End All monitoring devices but my new found ways of listening. |
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Jul 30, 2018 19:09:00 GMT -6
I know we're all familiar with moving coil headphones, whether open, closed, etc. But has anybody tried or use Planar type headphones? They use a thin membrane surrounded by magnets for a faster, transparent, opened sound. I've never used ear buds before but I bought these and I was amazed with the frequency response and the you-are-there environment. www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=27278Neither one of these are the End All monitoring devices but my new found ways of listening. Sounds like they're pretty nice budget consumer buds. Monitors? I doubt it. In ears? Uuh - probably not.
If you're inhterested in something GOOD I'd suggest that you contact my friend Kathy Peck at H.E.A.R. net. com
|
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Jul 30, 2018 19:25:28 GMT -6
I know we're all familiar with moving coil headphones, whether open, closed, etc. But has anybody tried or use Planar type headphones? They use a thin membrane surrounded by magnets for a faster, transparent, opened sound. I've never used ear buds before but I bought these and I was amazed with the frequency response and the you-are-there environment. www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=27278Neither one of these are the End All monitoring devices but my new found ways of listening. I' m not personally familiar with these phones, but I'm quite familiar with planar magnetic driver/speaker technology, which was developed in the '60s as an alternative to electrostatic planar tech without the high polarizing voltages requited by electrostatics, by Magneplanar, for their famous Magnepan full range panel speakers.
I'm sure that unless they seriously screwed something up these are going to sound pretty gopod.
As monitoring phones? Well, you can't really use phones as monitors, as they don't couple to the ear like free field speakers. The soundstage and spatial cueing is never going to be right and it's doubtful that the low end is going to really translate well.
Sound good, yes. Translate? WEeelll.....
The problem is not the technology, the problem is that phones - ANY phones - do not couple To the auditory canal and eardrum like a real free field source.
"You are there" illusion? Sure. Accurate translation? Ah, well, (shuffles feet) - I don't think so.
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,971 
Member is Online
|
Post by ericn on Jul 30, 2018 21:00:37 GMT -6
The good planer headphones I have heard have more detail than most dynamics, but fall short of a 20-30 year old pair of STAX ESL’s ( man I want a new pair)
The planer headphones just don’t bring the big 3D sound of the Magneplaner 3.? Something’s sitting here and lack that lovely line source ribbon, still best tweeter ever!
|
|
|
|
Post by jimwilliams on Jul 31, 2018 9:48:40 GMT -6
I have a pair of Monoprice 1060 planer headphones made by Audeze. The do very well in the deep bass yet the tops are lacking compared to Stax ESL's or even AMT type speaker tweeters. The Monoprice do 10~50k hz but the large surface area (105mm) seems to damp very fast transients.
I also have a pair of Fiio F9 pro in-ear buds. Those use Knowls mid and top end armatures and a dynamic bass driver. They have fabulous transients with those swinging armatures, like a pendulum swinging...
|
|
|
|
Post by svart on Jul 31, 2018 10:00:25 GMT -6
Planar phones are generally really heavy. Some people don't like them due to the weight.
They can have issues with extreme lows as well. Otherwise people like them, but they aren't for everyone. They're also more esoteric, so the cost is usually pretty high in comparison to the more conventional stuff.
The earbuds you linked are conventional single membrane moving coil type.
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,971
Member is Online
|
Post by ericn on Aug 1, 2018 9:00:51 GMT -6
With a Planer you need surface area to achieve low end!
One reason most are so heavy is if you use the lightweight refrigerator magnet June Whiney developed while at 3M and holds multiple patterns for Magnepan will sue your ass off!
I know having to have a dedicated special amp is a pain but for the price of some of these planners I would just grab a used set of STAX for true headphone bliss, the worst thing that can happen is they send you looking for the rare STAX ESL speakers. They are inefficient have no bass and if you have a cat with claws, you won’t have a cat any more, but damn if that midrange won’t make you an ESL addict. ESL addiction can lead to the most magnificent speaker ever designed by a deaf person the truest magnificent Soundlabs, you will have to take out a second mortgage but you will be one happy camper.
|
|
|
|
Post by johneppstein on Aug 1, 2018 9:24:20 GMT -6
With a Planer you need surface area to achieve low end! One reason most are so heavy is if you use the lightweight refrigerator magnet June Whiney developed while at 3M and holds multiple patterns for Magnepan will sue your ass off! I know having to have a dedicated special amp is a pain but for the price of some of these planners I would just grab a used set of STAX for true headphone bliss, the worst thing that can happen is they send you looking for the rare STAX ESL speakers. They are inefficient have no bass and if you have a cat with claws, you won’t have a cat any more, but damn if that midrange won’t make you an ESL addict. ESL addiction can lead to the most magnificent speaker ever designed by a deaf person the truest magnificent Soundlabs, you will have to take out a second mortgage but you will be one happy camper. I would think that the patents on the magnets would be up by now - they were invented in the '60s and pantents are only for 17 years plus one renewal, AFAIK. And since the original Magnapan designs magnet tech has advanced with the rare eath (neodymium) magnets... Or am I missing something?
And of course you need surface area with a planar, just like with an electrostatic.
It's not very attractive, but it might be a good idea to build some screen enclosures to keep the cat away from the electrostatic speaker panels...
|
|
|
|
Post by jdc on Aug 1, 2018 9:53:29 GMT -6
When I'm listening for appreciation nothing beats my hifiman he-400i
You can get them for like $150 right now (as opposed to the msrp of like $500)
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,971
Member is Online
|
Post by ericn on Aug 1, 2018 10:09:12 GMT -6
With a Planer you need surface area to achieve low end! One reason most are so heavy is if you use the lightweight refrigerator magnet June Whiney developed while at 3M and holds multiple patterns for Magnepan will sue your ass off! I know having to have a dedicated special amp is a pain but for the price of some of these planners I would just grab a used set of STAX for true headphone bliss, the worst thing that can happen is they send you looking for the rare STAX ESL speakers. They are inefficient have no bass and if you have a cat with claws, you won’t have a cat any more, but damn if that midrange won’t make you an ESL addict. ESL addiction can lead to the most magnificent speaker ever designed by a deaf person the truest magnificent Soundlabs, you will have to take out a second mortgage but you will be one happy camper. I would think that the patents on the magnets would be up by now - they were invented in the '60s and pantents are only for 17 years plus one renewal, AFAIK. And since the original Magnapan designs magnet tech has advanced with the rare eath (neodymium) magnets... Or am I missing something?
And of course you need surface area with a planar, just like with an electrostatic.
It's not very attractive, but it might be a good idea to build some screen enclosures to keep the cat away from the electrostatic speaker panels...
He has been updating the design and getting new patens, I was talking to one of the service guys about a replacement bass panel last month for a friend and it was recommend to replace both with the latest panels his pair is 3 years old but live in the sun and suffer from the glue lift syndrome. |
|
