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Post by Quint on Jul 17, 2018 16:52:01 GMT -6
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Post by m03 on Jul 17, 2018 17:20:31 GMT -6
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Post by Quint on Jul 17, 2018 17:55:30 GMT -6
That particular aspect I was already aware of. I use similar cage nuts on all of my skb racks. Though, I'm assuming the inside layer is wood just like the outside. If so, you could always yank those rails in there and put your own rails in. It's really the overall construction quality that I'm most concerned with. |
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Post by mulmany on Jul 17, 2018 18:52:08 GMT -6
It looks like a OSP case variant. That rack by OSP is over $500, so not sure what to say there.
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Post by Quint on Jul 17, 2018 19:21:19 GMT -6
It looks like a OSP case variant. That rack by OSP is over $500, so not sure what to say there. Yeah, I'm not sure either. Corners have to be cut somewhere you would think. What is the thickness of plywood used on the OSP cases? The case on the ebay ad is 3/8". |
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Post by ericn on Jul 17, 2018 21:31:29 GMT -6
Looks like your typical made in China shock rack, not great but if your not goi g to tour with it and don’t care about great fit and finish well you get what you payed for.
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Post by Quint on Jul 17, 2018 21:49:02 GMT -6
Looks like your typical made in China shock rack, not great but if your not goi g to tour with it and don’t care about great fit and finish well you get what you payed for. I just need an additional rack for mobile recording. So it doesn't have to be tour worthy. Just something to help absorb vibrations during travel in my own vehicle and maybe the occasional slight drop if I lost my grip on the handle or something while moving it. If I was trying to tour with this, I wouldn't even be looking at this ebay listing. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 18, 2018 3:05:57 GMT -6
I am not a big fan of cage nuts and aluminum won't take much load without deforming but if it's only going to hold lightweight digital recording gear it should be OK.
Of course you could always replace the rails with steel rails with tapped holes....
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Post by ericn on Jul 18, 2018 6:27:44 GMT -6
I am not a big fan of cage nuts and aluminum won't take much load without deforming but if it's only going to hold lightweight digital recording gear it should be OK.
Of course you could always replace the rails with steel rails with tapped holes....
Hard to do on some of these cheap shock racks, the nut is on the out side of the inner shell rather than the inside the inner shell and can fall down when you remove the bolt, they do use generous amounts of glue to secure the foam to the shells. So the only option is then to secure the new rails directly to the plywood with wood screws and these will tear out under stress. The one area they do go cheap on these is the foam, I have seen a couple of what were sold as “ Shock mounted 12 space amp racks” have the foam sag with 2 crown MA2400’s. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 6:51:54 GMT -6
That's good to know about the outside nut. I don't know if this is the case with this particular unit. If the nut fell down, I guess maybe you could attempt to use toggle bolts, like they use for sheetrock. I have no idea what short of sheer stress the toggles can handle though. But replacing the rails WOULD be something I would be considering if I bought one of these.
Either way, this may all be more trouble than it's worth anyway. Ideally, I'd prefer another 16u SKB shock rack. I already have three of those, but I've been having trouble tracking down a fourth locally. Shipping is too expensive to buy one off of ebay. Hence my interest in this no name unit on ebay, since it has free shipping.
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 17:17:20 GMT -6
Hmmm. Reviews on the OSP aren't that great, and if this ebay no name isn't maybe even as good as that...
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Post by ericn on Jul 18, 2018 17:42:04 GMT -6
Hmmm. Reviews on the OSP aren't that great, and if this ebay no name isn't maybe even as good as that... Short of a custom case these days they are all coming out of a handful of factories in China. In the good old days the guys who built the EFX Anvil 1/4in surface hardware cases were the same guys who would build custom 3/4 cases for PM3K’s, while the hardware and wood was different the workmanship was not! You get what you pay for. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 18:00:29 GMT -6
Hmmm. Reviews on the OSP aren't that great, and if this ebay no name isn't maybe even as good as that... Short of a custom case these days they are all coming out of a handful of factories in China. In the good old days the guys who built the EFX Anvil 1/4in surface hardware cases were the same guys who would build custom 3/4 cases for PM3K’s, while the hardware and wood was different the workmanship was not! You get what you pay for. I guess a question I have then is if one of these bespoke Chinese generic wood/foam cases is better or worse than one of the SKB shock cases, of which I already have three? I DO like the relative weight of those SKBs compared to a heavier wood case and have been pretty happy with the SKBs thus far. I'm just having trouble finding a used SKB locally and might be willing to try a wood/foam Chinese generic if it wasn't a complete piece of shit. Either way, I don't need the best of the best, as I'm only hauling these myself in my personal vehicle (no touring or secondary handling), so I couldn't justify the cost of buying something like an Anvil and I'm not in love with the additional weight of a wooden case. |
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Post by yotonic on Jul 18, 2018 18:20:51 GMT -6
www.Mixingtable.com makes the absolute best racks and they are extremely well priced for what you get. I have a bunch of their walnut ones and they are just great. They will install casters or send them for you to do it. They will do custom work very reasonably. Not sure if it's a mobile solution, but you could probably find a way to make it one/both.
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Post by ericn on Jul 18, 2018 18:22:32 GMT -6
Short of a custom case these days they are all coming out of a handful of factories in China. In the good old days the guys who built the EFX Anvil 1/4in surface hardware cases were the same guys who would build custom 3/4 cases for PM3K’s, while the hardware and wood was different the workmanship was not! You get what you pay for. I guess a question I have then is if one of these bespoke Chinese generic wood/foam cases is better or worse than one of the SKB shock cases, of which I already have three? I DO like the relative weight of those SKBs compared to a heavier wood case and have been pretty happy with the SKBs thus far. I'm just having trouble finding a used SKB locally and might be willing to try a wood/foam Chinese generic if it wasn't a complete piece of shit. Either way, I don't need the best of the best, as I'm only hauling these myself in my personal vehicle (no touring or secondary handling), so I couldn't justify the cost of buying something like an Anvil and I'm not in love with the additional weight of a wooden case. I’m not a fan of SKB, seen to many crack and or warp, my first question would be do you really need a shock resistant rack? Honestly personally I would rather a heavier duty laminate wood rack, for the money and space. Give the guy who is in charge of Clair Bros used gear sales a call and see what they have lying around. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 18:32:32 GMT -6
www.Mixingtable.com makes the absolute best racks and they are extremely well priced for what you get. I have a bunch of their walnut ones and they are just great. They will install casters or send them for you to do it. They will do custom work very reasonably. Not sure if it's a mobile solution, but you could probably find a way to make it one/both. I'm definitely looking for something mobile, so these wouldn't work for that. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 18:39:36 GMT -6
I guess a question I have then is if one of these bespoke Chinese generic wood/foam cases is better or worse than one of the SKB shock cases, of which I already have three? I DO like the relative weight of those SKBs compared to a heavier wood case and have been pretty happy with the SKBs thus far. I'm just having trouble finding a used SKB locally and might be willing to try a wood/foam Chinese generic if it wasn't a complete piece of shit. Either way, I don't need the best of the best, as I'm only hauling these myself in my personal vehicle (no touring or secondary handling), so I couldn't justify the cost of buying something like an Anvil and I'm not in love with the additional weight of a wooden case. I’m not a fan of SKB, seen to many crack and or warp, my first question would be do you really need a shock resistant rack? Honestly personally I would rather a heavier duty laminate wood rack, for the money and space. Give the guy who is in charge of Clair Bros used gear sales a call and see what they have lying around. It's the additional weight of wood racks that I don't like, or at least don't prefer, for my particular needs. If I was touring or doing constant hauling about of my gear, I would probably go the heavy duty wood route. Maybe it's just unfounded peace of mind, but I do like having some sort of shock absorbing feature in a rack that will get moved around. The light weight of the SKB shock cases relative to the wooden shock cases is what has always won me over in the past. As a bonus, I've also always liked the additional air space around the gear in a SKB shock rack. I'll look into Clair Bros. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 19:37:09 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jul 18, 2018 19:41:08 GMT -6
I didn't mind the SKB cases.. they were light, I did all my own lugging and I never flew with them, but I had a 12 space and a 8 space, that I did well over a thousand gigs with....
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Wiz
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 19:43:14 GMT -6
I didn't mind the SKB cases.. they were light, I did all my own lugging and I never flew with them, but I had a 12 space and a 8 space, that I did well over a thousand gigs with.... Cheers Wiz Shock rack or basic (non-shock)? |
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Post by wiz on Jul 18, 2018 19:45:19 GMT -6
I didn't mind the SKB cases.. they were light, I did all my own lugging and I never flew with them, but I had a 12 space and a 8 space, that I did well over a thousand gigs with.... Cheers Wiz Shock rack or basic (non-shock)? When I bought mine, the shock ones weren't available, at least here in Oz.... they ended up in my studio for a decade, then I sold them on, to a friend, he is still gigging with them 8) and he is not gentle on his gear. cheers Wiz |
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Post by Quint on Jul 18, 2018 20:05:27 GMT -6
Shock rack or basic (non-shock)? When I bought mine, the shock ones weren't available, at least here in Oz.... they ended up in my studio for a decade, then I sold them on, to a friend, he is still gigging with them 8) and he is not gentle on his gear. cheers Wiz Yeah, I personally have not had any issues with SKB, though there are some that apparently have. I'm sure I don't treat mine near as roughly as some do though. |
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Post by mulmany on Jul 19, 2018 6:49:10 GMT -6
I have 3 6u OSP cases, 2 shock and one regular. I think they are fine. They are heavier then the SKB or Gator molded racks.
The fit and finish is good and the foam has not sagged/compressed under the weight of 2 full Capi 511 racks. That's about the weight limit of the carrying capacity of my back.
I was in the same boat as you Quint. I transport all my own gear, and it's not getting truck packed after a gig. So I can be careful. I had a 16u wood shock rack that I tried handling myself, it was impossible. Especially if there were stairs.
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Post by Quint on Jul 19, 2018 17:25:58 GMT -6
I have 3 6u OSP cases, 2 shock and one regular. I think they are fine. They are heavier then the SKB or Gator molded racks. The fit and finish is good and the foam has not sagged/compressed under the weight of 2 full Capi 511 racks. That's about the weight limit of the carrying capacity of my back. I was in the same boat as you Quint. I transport all my own gear, and it's not getting truck packed after a gig. So I can be careful. I had a 16u wood shock rack that I tried handling myself, it was impossible. Especially if there were stairs. Exactly my conundrum. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 24, 2018 17:40:17 GMT -6
So I ended up finding a pretty great deal on a 16u SKB military style shock rack on CL. Guy was asking $500. Original price was over $2,000. He took $250.
Pretty glad I didn't have to go the wooden case route.
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