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Post by popmann on Jul 12, 2018 15:12:57 GMT -6
I just built a new machine. Tell me how Im going to test how much itll do....i dont mean running DAWBENCH testing....I mean....tell me hip new audio plug ins are just so “cpu costly” you have to watch their use....that sweet reverb that just eats too much to use more than one....that....whatever.
Give me a list to load up the iLok with demos....
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Post by Quint on Jul 12, 2018 15:19:05 GMT -6
Any of the Acqua plugins from Acustica. Not gonna get more CPU intensive than that.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 12, 2018 16:19:40 GMT -6
Or check out what pro tools expert did stress testing the new iMac and copy that ?
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Post by viciousbliss on Jul 12, 2018 16:21:01 GMT -6
Try Acustica Azure HQ in 88 or 96. Can't get it to playback at all with a Ryzen 1700 overclocked scoring around 115 and 1250 on cpuuserbenchmark
This one is more intensive than Cream, Diamond Lift, Ruby, Aquamarine, whatever other ones I tried. Some of the new chips I've read about sound like a big step up, but the single core numbers haven't gone above 150 as far as I know. That's with that new anniversary chip that scored better than the 8700k. I just kinda gave up on Acustica after that new Softube Tube Tech MKII seemed to equal their quality. By the time a computer powerful enough to run AA stuff the way a current top notch computer runs efficient plugins comes along, the tech will be so good that stuff will just mix itself.
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Post by mulmany on Jul 12, 2018 18:02:03 GMT -6
Waves Abby Road Plate @96k, eats some serious power.
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2018 18:03:48 GMT -6
Or check out what pro tools expert did stress testing the new iMac and copy that ? Can't really go on that since there's no way to extract the hardware performance from the OS performance.. which is why they always say "system performance" instead.. And in that case, windows uses less overhead.
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Post by matt on Jul 12, 2018 18:23:18 GMT -6
I just built a new machine. Give me a list to load up the iLok with demos.... DMG Limitless Waves Abbey Road Vinyl izotope Ozone 8 Advanced (load those slots up!)
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 12, 2018 18:33:21 GMT -6
svart I just meant since they tell you exactly what plugs they are loading and exactly how many tracks the session plays befor it falls over it’s one measure? The current iMac set a new test record so measuring against that gives you a sense of real wold performance ?
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Post by popmann on Jul 13, 2018 14:05:10 GMT -6
I'm not interested in synthetic benchmarks...including ones cooked up by people who quite obviously lack any insight into how virtual instruments work.
I don't want to SEE what the new CPU can do...I want to HEAR what it can do. Thus...what AUDIO plug ins are sucking lots of CPU time, but you put up with it because I mean--LISTEN to that!! The Abbey Road Plate was actually on my short list--when I demo'd it, I liked the sound--that kinda distortion into reverb thing...but, it ate over half my mobile i5 at 88.2 for one instance.
And I didn't buy a K...my 8700 which was part of a bundle with the motherboard I needed and Corsair 3k CL15 RAM for the price of a 8086k chip itself...is sitting right now at 4.3ghz 12 threads. SILENTLY cooled. I don't build studio computers that make noise--that's actually my issue with my Apple...but, I digress. My logic said that 30 more wts of TDP to dissipate for at BEST 10% in a synthetic seemed a little like overclocking gamer enthusiast spend. If it were JUST the extra money, I'd probably have done it, but extra money AND 50% more TDP...I'm already gonna be greasin' up and heat sinking the storage chips to keep them from thermal throttling...since that IS the bottleneck for sample based VIs.
Anyway...so, I'm seeing Acoustica, which is always there in these discussions, which leads me to question if that's not just their marketing hook...mastering processors...what does AbbeyRoad Vinyl do? It's that their answer to the cutting lathe thing? Adding noise and warble? Slight elliptical filter and HPF? I thought that was a gimmicky little thing to make it like "you now have all the machines from Abbey Road"...do you use that on tracks or master? That peaks my interest.
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Post by matt on Jul 13, 2018 17:36:08 GMT -6
what does AbbeyRoad Vinyl do? I use it when I'm bouncing tracks out of Pro Tools. I turn off all the crap -wow, flutter, clicks, etc- and critically A/B it on my 2-bus on every song I mix. So far, it improves punch and low-end impact on any song I apply it to. I don't mix through it though, just invoke it at bounce time. It's doing something subtle with the EQ curve and likely adding some harmonics. I'm not really sure what it does, but I like it. Activating it costs something like 10% cpu on my 8-core 2013 Mac Pro. Crazy.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 13, 2018 17:43:42 GMT -6
see how many instances of Elevate you can run lol
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Post by christopher on Jul 13, 2018 18:32:24 GMT -6
..is sitting right now at 4.3ghz 12 threads. SILENTLY cooled. What kind of cooling did you go with? I recently built a pretty quiet Ryzen5 system that I need to run similar tests.
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Post by popmann on Jul 13, 2018 21:49:55 GMT -6
Noctura u12s...? The one thats 22db at full load. One of them thar Nanoxia cases—thick heavy steel with mass loaded vinyl all in and a dual channel fan controller....Seasonic hybrid PS so it only comes on when it really needs cooling. And all nvme storage....no GPU, so the big case fans just unobstrutcedly pull air bottom front to top back across the board. Thus far, the exhaust seems cooler than ambient.... Im gonna open it back up and get the heatsinks on the nvme drives. I wanted to get it all together and verfiy all the pieces are working before I go removing stickers and applying thermal goo to expensive samsung chips.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 14, 2018 5:58:03 GMT -6
How much are you into the machine for?
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Post by popmann on Jul 14, 2018 9:06:47 GMT -6
$1500’ish. Its all new. I could’ve transferred pieces parts and saved a little...but, i wanted this purpose built ground up to sit in the studio and STFU. Should install OSX fine, but ill cross that bridge if I need to—Ill likely want a AMD GPU if I go that route. My understanding is that OSX’s Metal is really favoring the AMD stuff and basic UI is ver GPU accelerated. So, those, becuase of whatever bitcoin mining BS are crazy expensive....so, add $300 at least for the 580/8gb they use in a normal iMac. Seceral times that for the Vega chips being used in the Pros. If the intention is running OSX or playing Tomb Raider.
Which is how I end up with the “spare” CPU cycles....i have no need for this level of DSP, but sticking eith intel’s lines, theres not any TDP savings until you get WAY slower....and the 65wt i5 ended up saving $70 or something. I was temptd to rick the i3, which is now what i5s once were-non HT quad cores, but even there....saving 10-15% on the total for 30-40% less DSP didnt seem logical to me. Thus I ask what’s burning uo everyone CPU these days.
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Post by christopher on Jul 14, 2018 16:44:18 GMT -6
Pretty cool! Yeah I just wanted to see whether you went water cooling or not. I did pretty much like you.. NVME Samsung, hybrid corsair PSU which so far hasnt kicked on except for a few times, and so quiet I have to look. I got the Ryzen 5 APU with graphics. Its pretty good, plays games aboout as good as a PlayStation or Xbox. I screwed up, my kids found out now they think I built it for them. The stock AMD fan is really quiet, I decided to keep it so far.
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Post by jazznoise on Jul 16, 2018 15:02:58 GMT -6
Oculus Spatializer is another worthy contender. With the acoustic spatializarion on, it really starts chewing up the CPU.
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Post by popmann on Jul 16, 2018 16:27:34 GMT -6
Oculus Spatializer is another worthy contender. With the acoustic spatializarion on, it really starts chewing up the CPU. So, where does one get that? I see SDKs...does that come with an audio plug in of some sort? that actually DOES intrigue me....I'm getting close to mixing something with a BUNCH of percussion....that might be fun to spin that all around.....
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Post by jazznoise on Jul 17, 2018 15:35:20 GMT -6
Oculus Spatializer is another worthy contender. With the acoustic spatializarion on, it really starts chewing up the CPU. So, where does one get that? I see SDKs...does that come with an audio plug in of some sort? that actually DOES intrigue me....I'm getting close to mixing something with a BUNCH of percussion....that might be fun to spin that all around..... It's in the SDK!
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Post by popmann on Jul 17, 2018 16:37:55 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Jul 18, 2018 11:21:48 GMT -6
Vinyl didn't seem to move the needle, so to speak, FWIW....the AR Plate Reverb still does....and still has the "issue" I had in my first demo--that it doesn't SIT well...it sounds wonderful if you just listen to the vocal and reverb--but, then when you try to get it sitting at the right level in the mix--it's gone....it's too loud....it's gone....that's usually how I describe using lousy reverbs--but, this sounds really nice out of context, which they usually don't....anyone using it on the regular?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 19, 2018 2:45:14 GMT -6
Newangled Audio's Elevate will eat up a lot of CPU. put that guy through the ringer and see what you come up with.
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Post by popmann on Jul 19, 2018 12:50:43 GMT -6
I'll make a note of some of these when I have some mastering to do....
hey--has anyone tried the Soundradix Phi Mixer thing? I tried it long ago, but it just made stuff sound WEIRD....I wrote it off as the machine not being fast enough to maybe switch as quickly or seamlessly as it needed. I'm always interested in new digital ways to "do stuff better".
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Post by matt on Jul 19, 2018 14:02:22 GMT -6
I'll make a note of some of these when I have some mastering to do.... hey--has anyone tried the Soundradix Phi Mixer thing? I tried it long ago, but it just made stuff sound WEIRD Same here. It did something bad to a mix, probably phase-related- and that's what it's supposed to fix, if I remember correctly. It's one of the few time's I've demo'd something and not bought it.
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