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Post by spindrift on Jun 6, 2018 21:31:11 GMT -6
Male Spoken Vocals. NOTE: This is but ONE aspect of these microphones and none of these mics should be judged entirely upon this test alone.Chain: Mic in cardioid, spoken 6” from mic, no pop filter -> Gordon Model 5 -> RADAR Studio -> Import to PT for editing and apply only a 30Hz 96dB octave HPF cut to remove subsonics that were making my woofers dance. I know there will be some variation, I haven’t cut the S2 jumper in the new U67 from the factory. Also, there are different tubes in each of these mics. I used the Gordon Model 5 because it is a super pre that doesn’t impart much of it’s own sound on the signal....yet is amazingly hi-res. MaxMod MK67, Telefunken NOS EF86, S2 jumper open (removes 40Hz HPF): www.dropbox.com/s/8ob1gv2n9hn7ddq/MaxMod%20MK67-TeleEF86-S2open-30Hz_HPF.wav?dl=0New (reissue) Neumann U67, stock tube, S2 jumper in place from factory: www.dropbox.com/s/yk9ltkbtalf4jaf/2018%20U67-StockTube-S2closed-30Hz_HPF.wav?dl=0Vintage 1961 dead-mint, unmodified, Klaus-serviced, Neumann U67, Amperex Bugle Boy tube, S2 jumper open: www.dropbox.com/s/qj8p7is5hiee84l/1961%20U67-AmperexBBTube-S2open-30Hz_HPF.wav?dl=0What do you think? They all sound pretty damn good to me. Here's a most current ZIP file of all the files I've made in the whole thread to (hopefully) make life easier. www.dropbox.com/s/3u8eackl6ypgi35/RealGearOnline%20-%20U67%20Comparison%20Clips%20-%20Male%20Spoken%20Vocals.zip?dl=0 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2018 21:40:54 GMT -6
I don't want to vote until I hear it on something other than a laptop...but the vintage just seems to have less sibilance.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2018 21:41:18 GMT -6
Btw - you are my gear hero...
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Post by popmann on Jun 6, 2018 21:43:19 GMT -6
Man, had this been blind, I'd have guessed wrong....the one that is the MaxMod would've been my guess for "vintage 67"--because it sounds like a "better Sm7"....which IME, is what an unmodified 67 brings....but, I can't deny I really like the last one. I'm hoping you're pulling a fast one and the last is some modern less expensive option.  The one in the middle (reissue?) is sibilant and would be my last choice here by a long stretch. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 6, 2018 21:47:39 GMT -6
Thanks for posting these. Very cool to hear the 3. I liked the vintage the best, the MK67 a pretty close second, and the reissue a decisive 3rd. I'm sure the reissue's a lovely mic, not knocking it. Just sounds thinner and a little more sibilant by comparison.
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Post by spindrift on Jun 6, 2018 21:59:24 GMT -6
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Post by spindrift on Jun 6, 2018 22:06:37 GMT -6
Thanks for posting these. Very cool to hear the 3. I liked the vintage the best, the MK67 a pretty close second, and the reissue a decisive 3rd. I'm sure the reissue's a lovely mic, not knocking it. Just sounds thinner and a little more sibilant by comparison. Again, it is important to keep in mind that the reissue doesn’t have the S2 jumper cut (yet) and has a stock (Russian?) tube. I will be playing with tubes and jumpers next. Also, the thing has only been on for :30 mins of its life so I don’t know how a burn in will affect it. I find it totally usable and very much in the ballpark of the Vintage....but will try to tweak it some. I highly suspect that cutting S2 will open up the bottom end...which might (psychoacoustically) cause its perceived sibilance to soften....and a NOS tube too. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 6, 2018 22:31:32 GMT -6
Thanks for posting these. Very cool to hear the 3. I liked the vintage the best, the MK67 a pretty close second, and the reissue a decisive 3rd. I'm sure the reissue's a lovely mic, not knocking it. Just sounds thinner and a little more sibilant by comparison. Again, it is important to keep in mind that the reissue doesn’t have the S2 jumper cut (yet) and has a stock (Russian?) tube. I will be playing with tubes and jumpers next. Also, the thing has only been on for :30 mins of its life so I don’t know how a burn in will affect it. I find it totally usable and very much in the ballpark of the Vintage....but will try to tweak it some. I highly suspect that cutting S2 will open up the bottom end...which might (psychoacoustically) cause its perceived sibilance to soften....and a NOS tube too. Doesn't the S2 cut just get rid of like a 40hz HPF? That's way down there. I have no doubt a tube change will affect things though. I've seen how varied the overall sonic stamp can be with different tubes in my MK67. |
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Post by spindrift on Jun 6, 2018 23:46:33 GMT -6
OK, I lifted S2 and installed a NOS Telefunken EF86 I got from bowie in the 2018 U67 (reissue). Much closer sound to the vintage now I think...bit it is just a touch brighter. I suspect the tube made the most difference. Even though S2 is a 40Hz HPF, there is something going on in the deep part of the voice. More proximity effect from what I hear. And I believe (from reading Bob Olhsson ) that the S2 jumper is there to lessen proximity effect and plosives while working the mic sans popfilter. www.dropbox.com/s/powzfwp0cvhlmtt/2018%20U67-TeleEF86-S2open-30Hz_HPF.wav?dl=0I put a link to a ZIPFILE in the top post in case you want to save time and download them all in one shot. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 7, 2018 0:00:47 GMT -6
OK, I lifted S2 and installed a NOS Telefunken EF86 I got from bowie in the 2018 U67 (reissue). Much closer sound to the vintage now I think...bit it is just a touch brighter. I suspect the tube made the most difference. Even though S2 is a 40Hz HPF, there is something going on in the deep part of the voice. More proximity effect from what I hear. And I believe (from reading Bob Olhsson ) that the S2 jumper is there to lessen proximity effect and plosives while working the mic sans popfilter. www.dropbox.com/s/powzfwp0cvhlmtt/2018%20U67-TeleEF86-S2open-30Hz_HPF.wav?dl=0I put a link to a ZIPFILE in the top post in case you want to save time and download them all in one shot. Awesome. Thanks so much for these clips. Just for clarity's sake, did you swap the tube and clip the S2 jumper at the same time or did you listen to the S2 cut version before also changing the other variable (the tube)? |
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Post by spindrift on Jun 7, 2018 0:10:45 GMT -6
OK, I lifted S2 and installed a NOS Telefunken EF86 I got from bowie in the 2018 U67 (reissue). Much closer sound to the vintage now I think...bit it is just a touch brighter. I suspect the tube made the most difference. Even though S2 is a 40Hz HPF, there is something going on in the deep part of the voice. More proximity effect from what I hear. And I believe (from reading Bob Olhsson ) that the S2 jumper is there to lessen proximity effect and plosives while working the mic sans popfilter. www.dropbox.com/s/powzfwp0cvhlmtt/2018%20U67-TeleEF86-S2open-30Hz_HPF.wav?dl=0I put a link to a ZIPFILE in the top post in case you want to save time and download them all in one shot. Awesome. Thanks so much for these clips. Just for clarity's sake, did you swap the tube and clip the S2 jumper at the same time or did you listen to the S2 cut version before also changing the other variable (the tube)? It’s late and I just did them both at the same time, but I have its mate (matched pair) that I can work on tomorrow in that suggested fashion and listen to the changes. My voice might be different tomorrow daytime though so I’m not sure how the VO will translate. |
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Post by hadaja on Jun 7, 2018 0:38:10 GMT -6
WellI downloaded them without knowing which was which and i picked the original u67. easy winner. The bottom end bloom was very pleasing with the high end being very organic natural sounding. The 2018 U67 file sounded very toppy high end bright sounding. I would choose the Max mod over that one. I thought the Max mod sounded nice but not quite in the same league as the 1961 U67. Maybe a touch constricted in the highs and a touch more "cloudy" sounding by a smidgeon.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 7, 2018 4:53:55 GMT -6
Have you or can you put the tube from the original in the max mod ? It would control for one variable ?
Thank you.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 7, 2018 6:00:33 GMT -6
Awesome. Thanks so much for these clips. Just for clarity's sake, did you swap the tube and clip the S2 jumper at the same time or did you listen to the S2 cut version before also changing the other variable (the tube)? It’s late and I just did them both at the same time, but I have its mate (matched pair) that I can work on tomorrow in that suggested fashion and listen to the changes. My voice might be different tomorrow daytime though so I’m not sure how the VO will translate. Matched pair...hero |
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Post by spindrift on Jun 7, 2018 6:17:30 GMT -6
It’s late and I just did them both at the same time, but I have its mate (matched pair) that I can work on tomorrow in that suggested fashion and listen to the changes. My voice might be different tomorrow daytime though so I’m not sure how the VO will translate. Matched pair...hero I have a sickness 🙄 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 7, 2018 11:50:14 GMT -6
Dr Dr, tell me the news,,
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Post by EmRR on Jun 7, 2018 13:52:50 GMT -6
Does the new 67 capsule interchange with the tlm67 capsule? Obviously worth comparing that as a baseline.
I've never cut S2 to hear the difference. The new stock tube with S2 closed is certainly the thinnest.
You still have C17 in the Max? You could certainly enlarge C17 to darken the new one if you wanted. Your Max is closer to YOUR vintage than many I've heard.
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Post by spindrift on Jun 7, 2018 14:17:00 GMT -6
Thanks Doug. I haven't tried swapping capsules yet. These are my "practical" tests that I've shared and for now I'm pretty satisfied. I did think of you and the C17 mod we've discussed for the new one to take the top down just a little bit. We'll see. Too busy now to mess with it anymore for now. I hope the clips were somewhat helpful despite their obvious (and stated) scientific flaws.
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Post by spindrift on Jun 7, 2018 14:19:53 GMT -6
If you cut or lift S2, just make sure to shrink tube the end and use a tiny little bit of E6000 adhesive to attach it somewhere so its not resonating at 58Hz (or whatever) on a loud source and leaking through the body into your capsule and audio!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 8, 2018 20:24:42 GMT -6
Yeah...there's soooo much more bottom with the vintage.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 8, 2018 20:40:10 GMT -6
I think I might prefer the Reissue 67 (w/S2 open and NOS tube) over the MK67.
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Post by ragan on Jun 8, 2018 20:51:11 GMT -6
Yeah...there's soooo much more bottom with the vintage. Really? I guess we all hear things differently. You're not listening to the EQ'd MK67 are you? I think where the vintage pulls ahead is in an undefinable sort of 'openness' or 'life' or something. Subtle but definitely there. Frequency response wise, it's pretty close to the MK67, but the MK67, to my ears, has a little more low mid heft (which is what a lot of others accuse it of having) and a slightly softer top. |
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Post by spindrift on Jun 8, 2018 21:45:00 GMT -6
Exactly Ragan and Indiehouse. Horses for courses. All completely useful and beautiful mics.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 8, 2018 22:38:52 GMT -6
Yeah...there's soooo much more bottom with the vintage. Really? I guess we all hear things differently. You're not listening to the EQ'd MK67 are you? I think where the vintage pulls ahead is in an undefinable sort of 'openness' or 'life' or something. Subtle but definitely there. Frequency response wise, it's pretty close to the MK67, but the MK67, to my ears, has a little more low mid heft (which is what a lot of others accuse it of having) and a slightly softer top. I listened to the first files. I think he matched them, right? Need to listen to that. But yeah - that max mod would serve me perfectly. It sounds great. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 8, 2018 22:41:21 GMT -6
Ok - I just saw past the first post lol. I haven’t listened yet - that was just listening to the first examples
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The one in the middle (reissue?) is sibilant and would be my last choice here by a long stretch. 
