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Post by Martin John Butler on May 31, 2018 21:50:34 GMT -6
All that from a snare, hat and little bass drum, I love the ending.
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Post by keymod on Jun 1, 2018 5:44:58 GMT -6
My only complaint is that the song ended too quickly. Much fun cranking it up while driving
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 1, 2018 12:16:40 GMT -6
It needs a repeat button for sure, that's so much fun. I don't think it's possible to program what that drummer's doing. The subtle volume shift, on the fly fills, perfect beat changes, and those rolls are the deal.
Same thing applies to Logic's Drummer, even though it creates algorithmically.
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Post by svart on Jun 1, 2018 14:39:34 GMT -6
I actually think this is just about the opposite of what I like drums to sound like, but whatever.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 1, 2018 15:55:30 GMT -6
It's the playing and the sheer nuance, not the actual sound I was referring too. I don't care if it's Americana, Funk, Countrypolitan, Rap, Jazz, the subtleties here are the one thing I can't get from any drummer in a box.
Here's a different example of my point, listen all the way, the drum pushes at just the right moment and the bass player sustains the moment perfectly. You just can't program this. Slaid Cleves. John Chipman on drums, Harmoni Kelley on bass. Brilliant musicians.
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Post by aremos on Jun 1, 2018 16:21:46 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Jun 1, 2018 19:25:51 GMT -6
It's too bad that people mistake instruments for players in the context of drums.
This is the new market. It's a strange combination of ignorance and ego. At any point in history, did someone sit in a home studio and think "man...I wish I had a trumpet solo on this tune-that would be SO cool sounding--how much does a professional quality trumpet cost?"
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Post by popmann on Jun 2, 2018 13:20:52 GMT -6
That might sound more negative than it was intended. MJB actually said the same thing above....I was echoing....anyway—if you have something read for drums, send it to me. I’ll use Logic’s Drummer and....I don’t know that we have the same SD2 libraries....probably play/replay the bass because the Drummer needs something to lock into....but, a I’ll send you back the drum tracks. It will take me 30min. You have what you need, MJB. If you get MarkL to cut a funky ass guitar track to your tune, the LPX Drummer will spit out even better work. It’s all connected was my point.
Have you tried having the Drummer “follow” your click less playing? Or even your clicked playing, but ymmv, as to me that yields a very different result.
I was feeling pissy about something else loosely related....apologies for the tone. It wasn’t really about virtual drumming....it really stemmed from how the largest buyer of virtual pianos are not people who PLAY piano....and so you get....it changes the market content.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 3, 2018 5:12:00 GMT -6
MHHH if Virtual Drums - even played by a drummer - sound anythng like the above video the world would be fine.
Virteul drums are cool too me as long as they paly simple things. When it comes to more complex things even as guitar palyer I can hear that something feels wrong. BTW. I love logics drummer.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 3, 2018 5:57:35 GMT -6
I've got a really fantastic Drum Tec E. Drum kit which is full sized drums with "Real Feel" triple ply heads on it and it feels almost identical to my acoustic drums to play.
Combined with a Roland module for monitoring (I record the MIDI stream to trigger SD3 or SSD afterwards) I can easily record a drum track with the same feel and sound as the video.
I think whilst it's true a part like the one in the video would be darn tricky to program - with a modern E Kit set up it is easy to get any drum part you want - if you can play drums of course :-)
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Post by jin167 on Jun 3, 2018 6:22:26 GMT -6
drum sounds perfectly fine for a given context. There is no 'the one and only drum sound' that fits every genre.
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Post by keymod on Jun 3, 2018 8:06:50 GMT -6
I've got a really fantastic Drum Tec E. Drum kit which is full sized drums with "Real Feel" triple ply heads on it and it feels almost identical to my acoustic drums to play. Combined with a Roland module for monitoring (I record the MIDI stream to trigger SD3 or SSD afterwards) I can easily record a drum track with the same feel and sound as the video. I think whilst it's true a part like the one in the video would be darn tricky to program - with a modern E Kit set up it is easy to get any drum part you want - if you can play drums of course :-) Is there a way to record the audio from the Roland module and then convert to MIDI later? The reason I ask is that so far I record everything to my RADAR24 but then transfer later to computer, if necessary, for further editing/plugins/etc.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 3, 2018 8:27:39 GMT -6
Popmann, I admit I've never bothered to use Logic's Drummer much. Every time I gave it a try, even for a guide track, there was some beat I didn't like or some part that need changing, but I couldn't get the beat I wanted when I needed something simpler.
The following of an acoustic track might come in handy though. I'll look into it when I get to tracking again. This month is about getting my first video done.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jun 3, 2018 8:43:20 GMT -6
I've got a really fantastic Drum Tec E. Drum kit which is full sized drums with "Real Feel" triple ply heads on it and it feels almost identical to my acoustic drums to play. Combined with a Roland module for monitoring (I record the MIDI stream to trigger SD3 or SSD afterwards) I can easily record a drum track with the same feel and sound as the video. I think whilst it's true a part like the one in the video would be darn tricky to program - with a modern E Kit set up it is easy to get any drum part you want - if you can play drums of course :-) Is there a way to record the audio from the Roland module and then convert to MIDI later? The reason I ask is that so far I record everything to my RADAR24 but then transfer later to computer, if necessary, for further editing/plugins/etc. no, it spits out stereo audio.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 3, 2018 9:10:02 GMT -6
I've got a really fantastic Drum Tec E. Drum kit which is full sized drums with "Real Feel" triple ply heads on it and it feels almost identical to my acoustic drums to play. Combined with a Roland module for monitoring (I record the MIDI stream to trigger SD3 or SSD afterwards) I can easily record a drum track with the same feel and sound as the video. I think whilst it's true a part like the one in the video would be darn tricky to program - with a modern E Kit set up it is easy to get any drum part you want - if you can play drums of course :-) Is there a way to record the audio from the Roland module and then convert to MIDI later? The reason I ask is that so far I record everything to my RADAR24 but then transfer later to computer, if necessary, for further editing/plugins/etc. The more expensive modules like the TD30 and TD50 have multiple dedicated outs for every drum/cymbal so you could literally record a TD30/50 as a 16 channel drum performance and then use these audio tracks for traditional drum replacement with some software like Slate trigger or the trigger software built into SD3. In theory it should work especially as the sound would be very isolated for triggering but to be honest it is so easy to record MIDI that I always simply record the MIDI data - plus in Cubase the drum editor makes nudging a few errant notes around very easy. The most important part for me as a drummer is to monitoring the Roland module which has basically close on zero latency from striking the head to hearing the module sound - I cannot stand listening to a VI being triggered as it feels to me like trying to drum in a bowl of sticky custard.
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Post by ragan on Jun 3, 2018 9:22:20 GMT -6
I've got a really fantastic Drum Tec E. Drum kit which is full sized drums with "Real Feel" triple ply heads on it and it feels almost identical to my acoustic drums to play. Combined with a Roland module for monitoring (I record the MIDI stream to trigger SD3 or SSD afterwards) I can easily record a drum track with the same feel and sound as the video. I think whilst it's true a part like the one in the video would be darn tricky to program - with a modern E Kit set up it is easy to get any drum part you want - if you can play drums of course :-) THIS ^^^ The tech is there, it’s just a matter of chops. It still absolutely blows my mind that I can go lay down drums at any time day or night that I can sit there and ‘engineer’ afterward. Picking mics, bleeds, ambiences. And it just sounds like recorded drum audio. Nothing more, nothing less. Up to your mixing chops at that point, same as it is when recording ‘real’ drums. The video is great though. That (drummer) dude is filthy.
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Post by drsax on Jun 3, 2018 9:44:04 GMT -6
All that from a snare, hat and little bass drum, I love the ending. one of my favorite bands. Love everything about this. The aesthetic, the Groove, the sounds and the vibe. Just pure music. No headphone mixes and masterful playing.
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Post by jtc111 on Jun 3, 2018 11:15:07 GMT -6
Unless someone has the budget to avoid them, there will be compromises. Where we make those compromises depends on our skill set and the music we're recording. I'm no drummer and my work is all of the acoustic singer/songwriter variety. While I'll use a drum track on some songs, I don't use one on everything. Drums just aren't a priority for me so it's a place where I'm willing to compromise. I'm pretty satisfied with how far drum programs have progressed in the past decade. It's certainly better now than when I was banging out drum tracks simply using a keyboard to trigger sounds that had no variation. SD2 gets me about 95% of the way there without too much difficulty. The remaining 5% requires some effort but I can usually get what I want in the end. As soon as it goes on sale, I'll grab SD3 without hesitation.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 3, 2018 11:40:04 GMT -6
I'm waiting for an SD3 sale too !
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Post by keymod on Jun 3, 2018 14:58:20 GMT -6
Is there a way to record the audio from the Roland module and then convert to MIDI later? The reason I ask is that so far I record everything to my RADAR24 but then transfer later to computer, if necessary, for further editing/plugins/etc. no, it spits out stereo audio. My TD10 has eight analog outputs
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Post by b1 on Jun 4, 2018 5:36:37 GMT -6
This has been on my mind a lot lately. Probably the biggest unspoken pain in the neck for non-drummers. Been thinking of going the trigger route and making me some pads. I've got a collection of stuff I've hoarded to trigger samples.. yet to actually do it... still pecking around...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 4, 2018 13:13:55 GMT -6
It's too bad that people mistake instruments for players in the context of drums. This is the new market. It's a strange combination of ignorance and ego. At any point in history, did someone sit in a home studio and think "man...I wish I had a trumpet solo on this tune-that would be SO cool sounding--how much does a professional quality trumpet cost?" No - I was just about to post the same thing. This group could do the exact same thing with Superior Drummer and Amplitube.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 4, 2018 16:15:24 GMT -6
Sigh....Sold my E. Kit just before SD3 came out. I just can't see myself buying another one....can I? ugh!!!!!!!! Indie & Progressive SDX on sale for $97, probably find it cheaper if you look around. I need another SSD drive, now I'm out of space on my VI sounds drive. Anybody know of a decent priced, good quality 2 TB drive?
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