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Post by popmann on May 9, 2018 14:52:50 GMT -6
To add a Rhodes track to a recording you need a person who plays a Rhodes first and foremost. Piano will do fine as second best. They should pick the instrument they play.
I get it....I play keyboards and still am foolish enough to do things like buy “a clarinet sound” with zero intention of really spending any energy into learning how to really play clav—wise money is spent on collaboration when you want a track here and there. There a number of reasons for that....but, it’s the way YOU focus on getting the best music recorded.
I just need to throw that in. My two cents on the current software emulations is that you want Scarbee’s 88 (not the old NI mk1) for playability and “hard to make the sound sound bad through turning it’s knobs and scrolling presets until you have what you want....and Keyscape if ultra realistic to a fault and VERY easy to make sound weird or respond all wrong is ok. Ultra low budget says you can get NeoSoulKeysStudio for the iPad for $25.
Canterbury Suitcase is a wonderful sounding instrument....but, it seems really unique in both its sound and response. I feel like there’s no chance that’s a stock Rhodes. So, I’m not sure I’d recommend it as “the” emulation....but, it’s certainly a lovely sounding and playing EP instrument.
IMO. Obviously.
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Post by bradd on May 9, 2018 15:25:26 GMT -6
We live in cool times. I have a real Hammond, real Rhodes and real Wurly. If I was starting over today, I don't know that I would buy the real thing. Maintenance costs are real. Hammonds require some regular maintenance and I had my Wurly reworked by Vintage Vibe, which was great, but certainly not cheap. The action on my Rhodes sucks and needs some work. The stuff that is out now could fool anybody in a blind test. I guess the grass is always greener regardless of which path you take.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 9, 2018 19:59:08 GMT -6
We live in cool times. I have a real Hammond, real Rhodes and real Wurly. If I was starting over today, I don't know that I would buy the real thing. Maintenance costs are real. Hammonds require some regular maintenance and I had my Wurly reworked by Vintage Vibe, which was great, but certainly not cheap. The action on my Rhodes sucks and needs some work. The stuff that is out now could fool anybody in a blind test. I guess the grass is always greener regardless of which path you take. There is something special about sitting in front of an actual wurli or Rhodes that gives an emotional connection to the instrument and makes you behave differently as an instrumentalist. You can’t tell me you don’t get a tingle every time you hear the Hammond crank up. I know I do... And I certainly don’t get that by turning on a Nord. The sound of this stuff is only a small piece of the puzzle imo.
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Post by bradd on May 9, 2018 20:21:58 GMT -6
You're exactly right, Jeremy.
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Post by popmann on May 9, 2018 21:35:51 GMT -6
Actually, I was going to point out that I intentionally don't own a Rhodes because I've never played one I liked the feel of....I'll take a decent Rhodes "sound" with a nice feeling keyboard ALL day....but, also--I don't really consider myself a "Rhodes player"....I have always wanted one of those teacher model Wurli's around--their version of the Suitcase, with the amp/speakers attached....I have many a fond memory of that warm juicy goodness. Neighbor has one....avacado fucking green, too....lovely.
And you will pry my C3/122 from my cold dead hands. I don't care that the emulations are pretty much spot on in terms of end result....they've been functionally SUPER close for a long time--that's not what it's about. Someone recently put it a way I hadn't really thought about it--if you just want "a sound for a record" you aren't looking to buy an instrument. I was lamenting, apropos to this discussion that one of the most limiting aspects of sampled instruments is how differently they respond. Meaning take Rhodes--there are 900 million sample libraries....and IME, this one's great for THIS narrow slice of sounds from a Rhodes.....THAT is good for this other slice....etc....none of them are really like the multidimensional instrument itself that can be played/approached in ALL those ways and methods.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 10, 2018 7:50:56 GMT -6
To add to that, nothing sounds like throwing some BGVs or guitar parts through a leslie and throwing up a mic.
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Post by bradd on May 10, 2018 7:51:15 GMT -6
When I get some time, I'm going to perform Vintage Vibe's "Miracle Mod" on my Rhodes to hopefully improve the action. It's the weak link in my vintage keys currently. The Hammond and Wurly are a joy to play.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 10, 2018 7:53:21 GMT -6
When I get some time, I'm going to perform Vintage Vibe's "Miracle Mod" on my Rhodes to hopefully improve the action. It's the weak link in my vintage keys currently. The Hammond and Wurly are a joy to play. All Vintage Vibe's stuff is great. I did the miracle mod on a buddy's and it was great. Got all my parts from them for restoring mine to proper playing condition, I didn't need to change the action on mine though. Just needed the keybed felts and new hammer tips.
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Post by popmann on May 12, 2018 16:20:24 GMT -6
I want to point out that the Canterbury really is a wonderful instrument....and can certainly serve the tine piano role for someone well. In re-reading, my post about it sounded more negative than intended....it's a wonderful EP--my concern, is that if you're really looking for an emulation of a Rhodes, it sounds like it's been heavily modified--and if you send the same MIDI performance to it, then every other Rhodes sample/model set I have, it reacts VERY VERY differently than all the others, which in turn react similarly. You CAN damp down it's 2nd harmonic....and not use the lovely C12 speaker mics....and make it sound more like the others in terms of being a more "Straight" Rhodes emulation. It would not be a bad choice....and if one is just looking for a lovely sounding Rhodes like piano, it's subjectively pretty wonderful to play.
Just wanted to clarify that I have a lot of love for the instrument. I think, though--that their notes about it being such a marvelous example that they came back to the studio just to record this spectacular suitcase--is testament to what I was getting at before--in that it's a kind of odd man out. If the piano itself was so different it was memorable....you know...it's that different. It DOES sound and play wonderfully, IMO/E.
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Post by b1 on May 17, 2018 6:39:56 GMT -6
I got this in an Email this morning. $74. bucks/euros until the 21st. Although I couldn't install the latest UVI Workstation for some reason. Didn't check why. I just removed it...
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Post by b1 on May 21, 2018 19:49:25 GMT -6
grrrr... I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the UVI Attack EP88 for $74.00. Checked the specs and it only supports Win 8 and above. That's why I couldn't install UVI Workstation before. Most software/plugins still supports Win 7 and a lot still supports XP... Think I'll try layering a couple of Rhodes emulations before I splurge on the more expensive stuff. The track I'm doing isn't keys centered anyway; just adding some feel.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on May 22, 2018 0:16:52 GMT -6
grrrr... I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the UVI Attack EP88 for $74.00. Checked the specs and it only supports Win 8 and above. That's why I couldn't install UVI Workstation before. Most software/plugins still supports Win 7 and a lot still supports XP... Think I'll try layering a couple of Rhodes emulations before I splurge on the more expensive stuff. The track I'm doing isn't keys centered anyway; just adding some feel. you might find this post interesting, especially the part where some big-name plugin developers share some stats about their userbase's operating system selection: forum.juce.com/t/os-x-10-6-support-survey/25877 Basically, the #1 cross-platform API that the majority of plugin developers use to write their plugins is discontinuing support for old operating systems because IT'S TIME and you guys should get with the times and stop using XP/Windows 7 already. The tools available on more modern operating systems are reason alone to update, not just for developers but for end-users too. (reFX, SoundRadix, UVI, and ValhallaSound all chimed in on the thread with percentages of how many of their users use these older operating systems. you might have to scroll a while to find their posts)
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Post by b1 on May 22, 2018 10:40:36 GMT -6
I understand what you're saying, @nofilterchuck, but this has no effect on me. No offense to those programmers, but they have nothing that requires me to make any changes. I'll always be using XP, Win7, & Linux. If they don't support me, I won't support them. My main concern is what hardware is going to maintain support for older OS's in the future. Still, that's not a biggy since there's a market for the parts I need... I'm switching some customers over to Linux and away from Win10. The majority of those who have switched are quite happy. There would have to be some revolutionary product pop up that I can't live without to even consider changing the way I work.. I don't see that happening though. I'll go with real instruments if I have to, and "good enough" software for ease of live use. Last resort: make my own software (which I've done and still use), but I'd rather not spend time on that. There's too much available elsewhere.
This one track has prompted me to seek that lovely Rhodes "sound". If one product doesn't work out, that's good.. lol (ymmv)
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Post by b1 on May 22, 2018 10:42:19 GMT -6
what's up with not being able to tag user names anymore?
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2018 14:49:25 GMT -6
what's up with not being able to tag user names anymore? His username is bannedchuck
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Post by Ned Ward on May 22, 2018 14:57:48 GMT -6
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Post by b1 on May 22, 2018 15:22:40 GMT -6
what's up with not being able to tag user names anymore? His username is bannedchuck I knew it was Chuck, but he has a special elevated untouchable status now, lol
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 22, 2018 15:25:15 GMT -6
His username is bannedchuck I knew it was Chuck, but he has a special elevated untouchable status now, lol If you tag bannedchuck instead of nofilterchuck, it works. See... NoFilterChuck
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Post by b1 on May 22, 2018 15:36:30 GMT -6
NoFilterChuck it used to work just by adding @ And why one name invokes another name is some kinda Johnkenn wizardry
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Post by b1 on May 22, 2018 15:54:14 GMT -6
It sounds like a contender, but then looking at $199. makes me think adding a couple hundred bucks and go for the Spectrasonics and get the C7 and other sounds. Then I get back to wondering what I can layer to get the sound I want for nothing. I'll give that a shot when I get more time but I woulda scooped the UVI up at half price and been happy
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Post by b1 on May 22, 2018 15:55:39 GMT -6
BTW, I do have Win10 and absolutely hate it...
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Post by popmann on May 22, 2018 23:21:31 GMT -6
The instrument you linked--the tack piano thing, requires v2.6 of UVI's engine, which absolutely runs in Win7. FWIW.
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Post by b1 on May 23, 2018 8:52:10 GMT -6
I had UVI Workstation v2.6.8 installed and working. Then installed v2.6.10 and it wouldn't run. Something to do with libraries isn't running/missing on Win7... just gave some general error but nothing specific. I just uninstalled it and didn't fall back to v2.6.8
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2018 9:25:25 GMT -6
We live in cool times. I have a real Hammond, real Rhodes and real Wurly. If I was starting over today, I don't know that I would buy the real thing. Maintenance costs are real. Hammonds require some regular maintenance and I had my Wurly reworked by Vintage Vibe, which was great, but certainly not cheap. The action on my Rhodes sucks and needs some work. The stuff that is out now could fool anybody in a blind test. I guess the grass is always greener regardless of which path you take. This^^ and what Popmann said. Some of these emus are just killer...and having someone that is a master with them - I doubt anyone could tell.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2018 9:30:27 GMT -6
His username is bannedchuck I knew it was Chuck, but he has a special elevated untouchable status now, lol Weird quirk of this board...don’t know why forum names and tag names are allowed to be different. Btw - good to see you here, NoFilterChuck
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