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Nuraphone
May 4, 2018 20:43:49 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on May 4, 2018 20:43:49 GMT -6
Has anyone used these? They look intriguing. I'm considering giving them a try for my listening pleasure, not mixing or reference. They have a 30 day return policy. What's there to lose? I'm curious what people on rgo think about them and if anyone has heard em. The marketing is cheesy and overdone almost in a slate kind of way. Almost entirely hyperbole, this is the main reason giving me pause. Best ever life changing never going back ruined listening forever on anything else everyone has to hear these once in their life blah blah blah Yeah. Right. Second coming of Jesus Christ. We get it, and it's annoying. www.nuraphone.com/
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Post by stormymondays on May 5, 2018 2:36:17 GMT -6
The tech reviews are definitely impressive. I’m asking my ENT doctor friend about the science... it might even be true! Will let you know what he says.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2018 8:29:01 GMT -6
Has anyone used these? They look intriguing. I'm considering giving them a try for my listening pleasure, not mixing or reference. They have a 30 day return policy. What's there to lose? I'm curious what people on rgo think about them and if anyone has heard em. The marketing is cheesy and overdone almost in a slate kind of way. Almost entirely hyperbole, this is the main reason giving me pause. Best ever life changing never going back ruined listening forever on anything else everyone has to hear these once in their life blah blah blah Yeah. Right. Second coming of Jesus Christ. We get it, and it's annoying. www.nuraphone.com/I think you need a kk67 But seriously...these look really cool!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 18:59:22 GMT -6
I'm always skeptical about grandiose claims like this product makes. But even if it works well, I'd reserve something like this for personal experimental listening and would not make it part of a mixing workflow. Most really good mixers have dealt with hearing loss in some fashion--whether it's simple age-related loss or the result of too much level for too long. The compensation is already built in, and the best of the breed keep making great mixes for years. That's what experience does for you.
The trick of these headphones will be centered around adaptive EQ. We all know what EQ can do to phase as well as the various other things it does. Those artifacts may be consciously used and it's often why you'll choose one EQ over another. But running a whole mix through some sort of headphone EQ seems to be a recipe for trouble.
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Post by johneppstein on May 6, 2018 10:06:26 GMT -6
I'm always skeptical about grandiose claims like this product makes. But even if it works well, I'd reserve something like this for personal experimental listening and would not make it part of a mixing workflow. Most really good mixers have dealt with hearing loss in some fashion--whether it's simple age-related loss or the result of too much level for too long. The compensation is already built in, and the best of the breed keep making great mixes for years. That's what experience does for you. The trick of these headphones will be centered around adaptive EQ. We all know what EQ can do to phase as well as the various other things it does. Those artifacts may be consciously used and it's often why you'll choose one EQ over another. But running a whole mix through some sort of headphone EQ seems to be a recipe for trouble. I would not trust any product with adaptive EQ for mixing unless it could be calibrated against a known analyzer. I don't see how that could be possible with headphones, especially ones with this rather odd two way design.
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Post by c0rtland on May 6, 2018 20:20:41 GMT -6
just to reiterate, i am not proposing the use of these for mixing. thanks for all the comments.
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Post by allbuttonmode on May 7, 2018 2:22:17 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on May 8, 2018 19:43:13 GMT -6
just to reiterate, i am not proposing the use of these for mixing. thanks for all the comments. Mixing aside, what standard and method does the silly thing use for calibration? Sounds like highly refined snake oil, squeezed from only the finest Mohave rattlesnakes, King Cobras, and black Mambas and mixed to a secret recipe to me!
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Post by allbuttonmode on May 11, 2018 1:55:43 GMT -6
Mixing aside, what standard and method does the silly thing use for calibration? Sounds like highly refined snake oil, squeezed from only the finest Mohave rattlesnakes, King Cobras, and black Mambas and mixed to a secret recipe to me! Well, Eppstein, the link is in my post. Why don't you actually check it out, rather than just assume?
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Post by johneppstein on May 11, 2018 20:23:49 GMT -6
Mixing aside, what standard and method does the silly thing use for calibration? Sounds like highly refined snake oil, squeezed from only the finest Mohave rattlesnakes, King Cobras, and black Mambas and mixed to a secret recipe to me! Well, Eppstein, the link is in my post. Why don't you actually check it out, rather than just assume? Well, Anonymous, what the hell makes you think I didn't? Hint: I did. <redacted> Edit : I just checked your link again. (and the other link as well.) There is NOTHING there that gives even the most miniscule amount of solid technical information about the product. It's all hot air salesspeak. Probably intended for people who think "Beats" are good headphones.
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Nuraphone
May 12, 2018 3:37:32 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on May 12, 2018 3:37:32 GMT -6
The website describes exactly how they measure the response using the eardrum’s otoacoustic emission. Whether that’s possible or not, only an ENT doctor could know. I haven’t heard back from mine.
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Post by johneppstein on May 12, 2018 4:41:15 GMT -6
The website describes exactly how they measure the response using the eardrum’s otoacoustic emission. Whether that’s possible or not, only an ENT doctor could know. I haven’t heard back from mine. Ys, they give some vague mumbo-jumbo. I don't see any real technical information. What I do see is that they split the signal into high and low bands and inject the high band directly into the ear canal while using something akin to bone conduction for the low. Seems to me there would be some sort of time differential between the two. I can understand the idea of using frequency compensation for people with severe hearing damage - my uncle used an equalizer in his hi-fi system to compensate (somewhat) for his loss of high frequencies. (Of course his stereo was unlistenable to everyone else.) What I'm skeptical of is their approach and of the idea that normal people need compensated phones - most people are used to hearing things the way they do in daily life - I don't see any need for compensation. I point to the significant number of older mix engineers who test as having age related frequency loss yet somehow still manage to turn out excellent mixes anyway.
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Nuraphone
May 12, 2018 8:10:10 GMT -6
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Post by stormymondays on May 12, 2018 8:10:10 GMT -6
My ENT doctor says this kind of test has nowhere near the resolution necessary for any meaningful correction. He’s a musician as well.
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