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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 25, 2018 8:10:29 GMT -6
I began recording on a computer late in the game, 2012. I knew little about Pro Tools or Logic then.
Logic was cheap and I figured I could send WAV files out if I needed to. So I never bothered learning Pro Tools, just used Logic. I began with the Waves Mercury bundle with 160 plugs, bought from a friend for cheap. I barely knew what a Plug-In was, or how to instantiate one. Fast forward, and I've bought dozens of plug-ins, some quite expensive. Meanwhile Apple has had a dozen free upgrades, and continue to upgrade their plug-ins. I've never regretted using Logic over Pro Tools. I'd like to learn PT one day, but there's no pressing need.
So, Apple gave away three new EQ's last in the recent upgrade, a Pultec, Neve, and API style. I find the API EQ works beautifully, and is much easier to use than a dozen other EQ's I have. I use it on every session now. Then, they add a new reverb, and it sounds as good as most any I have. Their compressors are as good as any other brand modeling the same compressors, and their electric guitar amp collection works as promised.
If I was starting again, I don't think I'd need more than 6 or 7 other plug-ins, and could probably do without any 3rd party plugs. I'd say that's impressive, especially when compared to Pro Tools never-ending pay to play policies.
I'd like to hear more about any of Apple's newer upgrades, I haven't fully explored them yet.
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 25, 2018 10:17:34 GMT -6
Great to hear....
Apple has actually been at the forefront of digital audio for a long time. Their AAC music file with a .m4r file extension is almost lossless from what I understand and they worked with some of the best mastering engineers to get the compression almost perfect with no truncating of word-length. Apogee partnered with them years ago for their no holds barred approach to digital.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 25, 2018 12:53:13 GMT -6
Apple had absolutely nothing to do with developing AAC technology. It was developed at Bell Labs and Apple licenses it from Dolby. They worked with mastering engineers to develop MFIT which allows us to provide them with high-resolution source files they can use for producing AAC files to sell or for very high-quality streaming. I just wish they'd stop castrating AAC to 44.1x16. It sounds incredible at 96x24 and the increase in file size is surprisingly tiny.
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Post by sozocaps on Apr 25, 2018 12:55:50 GMT -6
Apple had absolutely nothing to do with developing AAC technology. It was developed at Bell Labs and Apple licenses it from Dolby. They worked with mastering engineers to develop MFIT which allows us to provide them with high-resolution source files they can use for producing AAC files to sell or for very high-quality streaming. I just wish they'd stop castrating AAC to 44.1x16. It sounds incredible at 96x24 and the increase in file size is surprisingly tiny. Thank you for the clarity.... ! I went off memory and didn't have time to do back research BUT I was told they can render from 24bit native with no truncation of bits ... Again forgot where I was explicitly told that, maybe i'm wrong I don't recall. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 25, 2018 15:01:04 GMT -6
It annoys me that the Liquid Sonics reverb plug-in I use doesn't have any of the features the new Apple reverb has. It cost me $70, and if I want the full version, it cost's $139 more. If I could upgrade to the full featured version for $29 or less, I'd grab it, but frankly, I could almost buy a nice mic with the difference.
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Post by drbill on Apr 25, 2018 15:08:53 GMT -6
Yeah, but what if you hate logic and love pro tools?
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Post by hadaja on Apr 26, 2018 0:53:00 GMT -6
Then you are in the Big Camp not the little Camp. Now dont get me started about the Refugee Camp.
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Post by M57 on Apr 26, 2018 4:55:34 GMT -6
I'd like to hear more about any of Apple's newer upgrades, I haven't fully explored them yet. I was waiting and waiting for the Waves pultec EQ to go on sale at $29 (It's become a tradition that that's the most I'll spend for a Waves plug). Then all of a sudden one showed up in Logic a few months ago ..for FREE! I'm probably overusing it at this point because it's so musical to my ear. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 26, 2018 6:46:56 GMT -6
M57, wait until you get used to the API EQ, you'll put it on lots of tracks. Something about the graphic EQ is easier than other styles, and it sounds good.
drill said, "Yeah, but what if you hate logic and love pro tools?
Well, that's cool, but once you get used to Logic, it's no more difficult than Pro Tools. It probably more a case of liking what you learned first.
For someone just getting started it makes sense though. Logic gives you $5,000 worth of plug-in content, all for $200, including free upgrades.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 26, 2018 8:16:31 GMT -6
M57, wait until you get used to the API EQ, you put it on so many tracks. Something about the graphic EQ is easier than other styles, and it sounds good. drill said, "Yeah, but what if you hate logic and love pro tools?
Well, that's cool, but once you get used to Logic, it's no more difficult than Pro Tools. It probably more a case of liking what you learned first. For someone just getting started it makes sense though. Logic gives you $5,000 worth of plug-in content, all for $200, including free upgrades. Nah Logic Still has some issues which other DAWs dont have. If you run large sessions with a lot of Audio and Midi Logic has problems to play all tracks at the exact same time aka as phasing. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 26, 2018 9:03:17 GMT -6
Hmm.. I haven't had issues I've noticed, but they may be there nevertheless.
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Post by drbill on Apr 26, 2018 10:04:02 GMT -6
Well, that's cool, but once you get used to Logic, it's no more difficult than Pro Tools. It probably more a case of liking what you learned first. Could be. And fair enough. But Logic always seems cheap to me, and although an avid (oops, sorry for the pun.  Apple user - I have zero faith in putting my DAW completely in their hands. iPhones are just too profitable. The reality for me is that I just like the way PT mimics traditional studio workflow. And it's shortcut key commands. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 26, 2018 10:30:51 GMT -6
If I had spent any time with it, I might have preferred Pro Tools too. Logic gets me where I need to go, for now anyway. I gotta say that if you heard their new reverb and the EQ's, you'd be wondering if you need anything else.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 26, 2018 16:17:06 GMT -6
Well, that's cool, but once you get used to Logic, it's no more difficult than Pro Tools. It probably more a case of liking what you learned first. Could be. And fair enough. But Logic always seems cheap to me, and although an avid (oops, sorry for the pun. Apple user - I have zero faith in putting my DAW completely in their hands. iPhones are just too profitable. The reality for me is that I just like the way PT mimics traditional studio workflow. And it's shortcut key commands. Logics mimics it too just a little different ... no big deal. |
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Post by drbill on Apr 26, 2018 17:16:30 GMT -6
Could be. And fair enough. But Logic always seems cheap to me, and although an avid (oops, sorry for the pun. Apple user - I have zero faith in putting my DAW completely in their hands. iPhones are just too profitable. The reality for me is that I just like the way PT mimics traditional studio workflow. And it's shortcut key commands. Logics mimics it too just a little different ... no big deal.  A little different? Um, yeah. LOL |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 26, 2018 19:43:26 GMT -6
The Editing in PT is what keeps me there. The only thing close that I've used is Cubase, and its just too far a jump for me to justify. From a PT user for something like 15 years+, logic is the most unlogical Daw I've ever tried to use. I know lots of people that are happy with it, but I just cant wrap my brain around that program, and at this point, I've got no interest in learning.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 26, 2018 20:53:54 GMT -6
Since Jeremy is a working professional engineer, I can certainly see that Pro Tools is basically a necessity. But as a singer/songwriter producing at home, Logic gives me so much more bang for the buck, it's a no brainer. Over five years, and I haven't paid for single upgrade, and there have been many.
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Post by drbill on Apr 26, 2018 21:12:13 GMT -6
The Editing in PT is what keeps me there. The only thing close that I've used is Cubase, and its just too far a jump for me to justify. From a PT user for something like 15 years+, logic is the most unlogical Daw I've ever tried to use. I know lots of people that are happy with it, but I just cant wrap my brain around that program, and at this point, I've got no interest in learning. I'd have to agree 100%. For years I've referred to logic as "illogical". LOL Must be a PT users thing. One thing is certain, if you know the key commands like the post production guys do, I wouldn't be surprised it it's 5-10X's faster than any other DAW for editing. Those guys make my head spin.... Also, the automation has been leading edge for 15 years. |
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Post by levon on Apr 27, 2018 1:45:28 GMT -6
Yeah, but what if you hate logic and love pro tools? What if you love Logic and hate Pro Fools?? |
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Post by drbill on Apr 27, 2018 8:20:47 GMT -6
Yeah, but what if you hate logic and love pro tools? What if you love Logic and hate Pro Fools?? Then you're happy with Martin's conclusions and statements. Illogic seems to suit you. Me? I stay with your pro fools. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 27, 2018 13:14:59 GMT -6
Pro Tools is a digital audio kit that can be configured/assembled in any way you want. The downside to that flexibility is that you first need to build templates. It is much deeper than what's obvious. I've tried most everything at one time or another but invariably hit something I want to do that the others can't especially in the way of routing. I quit MIDI in the '90s.
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Post by hasbeen on Apr 27, 2018 17:55:08 GMT -6
Can I get these plug ins even though I am running Logic Pro 9 and not X???
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Post by miscend on Apr 28, 2018 4:30:51 GMT -6
There’s a completely free and very capable DAW called Cakewalk if you are on PC.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 28, 2018 6:13:17 GMT -6
Can I get these plug ins even though I am running Logic Pro 9 and not X??? NO! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 28, 2018 8:17:31 GMT -6
I don't think so hasbeen. Man, what are you waiting for? Logic X has been around like... 4 or 5 years now.
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Apple user - I have zero faith in putting my DAW completely in their hands. iPhones are just too profitable.
