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Post by rowmat on Mar 15, 2018 23:01:42 GMT -6
Well it took longer than I envisaged due to some 'logistical' issues but the EMT is finally installed and running. I'm about to order some spare clips and a driver magnet alignment disc but I managed to get it running without them for now. I still have to do some tweaking, tensioning, levels, EQ etc. but it sounds pretty damn fine. The servo motor didn't work initially but a few taps and it started moving. The reverb time remote now works great. There's a little 50hz hum on the returns so I'll see if lifting the earth fixes that or maybe some new electro caps in the power supply.  |
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Post by nnajar on Mar 15, 2018 23:20:30 GMT -6
Fantastic!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 16, 2018 1:09:00 GMT -6
That’s just great !!
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Post by ericn on Mar 16, 2018 8:03:16 GMT -6
Looks great
There ain’t nothin like the real thing!
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 16, 2018 8:13:00 GMT -6
Looks great There ain’t nothin like the real thing! I doubt that in 2018 but it think its fun to own one... Down my street is a studio that ownes one too.... |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 16, 2018 9:11:59 GMT -6
Bad ass! im haunted by the EMT140s i got to play with. Fantastic reverbs. No replacement for the real deal.
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Post by jimwilliams on Mar 17, 2018 13:39:01 GMT -6
Add some higher output piezo's and use the Jim Cunningham gain reset designs and you can lower the EMT return noise to -100 dbu.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2018 16:48:26 GMT -6
Ah, what doesn’t Jim know how to tweak ?  |
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Post by donr on Mar 17, 2018 17:22:11 GMT -6
Wow, that looks yuuge.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 18, 2018 9:09:21 GMT -6
My wife kills me if I install one....
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Post by Guitar on Mar 19, 2018 16:36:13 GMT -6
I would like to be buried in one of those...
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 19, 2018 18:58:00 GMT -6
I would like to be buried in one of those... Dont tell my wife PLEASE.... |
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Post by rowmat on Apr 3, 2018 1:32:40 GMT -6
One thing that is noticeably different to using a typical ITB plugin verb is the EMT doesn't get in front of the source and bury it even with quite a lot of verb which is why some pre delay is typically required for big plugin verbs. Also the reverb tails are smooooth and don't have that often slightly granular sound that many digital verbs sometimes demonstrate as they fade. (Apart from something like the Bricasti I'm guessing) With the EMT vocals even without pre delay still manage to remain present and focused with the verb moving out to the sides and behind the source. Several EMT plugins can pretty much nail the sound tonally but it's the other psychoacoustic stuff that I'm hearing that no other plugins I've yet experienced are able to pull off in quite the same way as a physical EMT plate does. We recently mixed a Ronette's 1960's style track with some pretty lush layered BV's and the EMT just sounded so right on the track. It's like 3D fairy dust! |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 3, 2018 5:09:43 GMT -6
Looks great There ain’t nothin like the real thing! +1000 No matter how good the plugins have got to my ear that still completely miss the magic of the real thing. It's the same deal as tape emulation plugins, 0's and 1's vs rust stuck to plastic tape are just completely mediums and "never the twain shall meet" There's something about vibrating a metal plate that you can't represent properly with 0's and 1's - well at least to my ears. I would completely love to own a real plate reverb - I simply have nowhere to install one! The OP is one lucky guy! |
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 3, 2018 8:41:57 GMT -6
Looks great There ain’t nothin like the real thing! +1000 No matter how good the plugins have got to my ear that still completely miss the magic of the real thing. It's the same deal as tape emulation plugins, 0's and 1's vs rust stuck to plastic tape are just completely mediums and "never the twain shall meet" There's something about vibrating a metal plate that you can't represent properly with 0's and 1's - well at least to my ears. I would completely love to own a real plate reverb - I simply have nowhere to install one! The OP is one lucky guy! With plug ins it depends extremly on how deep the developpers go and most of them dont go deep enough for my ear. Slates VCC and VTM proofs that it can be done but it takes years before they nail it. At least to my ear, and the ear of my ME, Slates VTM reminds us a lot on 80s music with a midrange tone. If sapce would not be an issue I would buy back my old Telefunken M 15 A. But not for the sound for nostalgic resones. I like to have smething old at the studio. For the EMT Plate I found that very good IRs work best for me. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 3, 2018 10:03:42 GMT -6
I grew up recording on tape and large consoles - I have VTM and VCC, I do think they have a good vibe but I'm not prepared to kid myself they sound
like I'm back recording on a tape machine and desk - the sound is just too different to my ears.
Same for the EMT plate - nothing sounds like a real one - no surprise really.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 3, 2018 17:58:38 GMT -6
I grew up recording on tape and large consoles - I have VTM and VCC, I do think they have a good vibe but I'm not prepared to kid myself they sound like I'm back recording on a tape machine and desk - the sound is just too different to my ears. Same for the EMT plate - nothing sounds like a real one - no surprise really. Good point. Lets say we all a remember times when plug ins had no vibe at all. Its a big step forward today. I am not old enough to say I know expensive gear inside out. But I can say that some tools help me to get what my ears are used too. I commit that VTM lives in combination wih real gear on my mixbus. Maybe that helps to create a nice tape vibe approximation. I would love to hear the real emt plate vs good IRs.... |
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Post by kilroyrock on Apr 3, 2018 20:30:49 GMT -6
Ah, what doesn’t Jim know how to tweak ? The dude's got an avatar that's a rock shaped like a middle finger, I'd say he knows all! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 3, 2018 21:27:32 GMT -6
I was blessed to get to know 2 EMT 140s for a few years. They were amazing.
Has anyone heard an Echo Plate? Supposed to be quieter.
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Post by rowmat on Apr 4, 2018 1:47:36 GMT -6
Add some higher output piezo's and use the Jim Cunningham gain reset designs and you can lower the EMT return noise to -100 dbu. It seems Jim Cunningham has been retired for sometime. Our 140 is quite a late model (early to mid 1970's) with the 162 amplifier. I believe the original opamps in the preamplifiers can be upgraded. I have a Radial StageBug SB-4 Piezo DI which I originally purchased to use with a DIY plate I was planning to build before the EMT became available. However I'll try it out with the EMT along with some new piezos. www.radialeng.com/stagebugsb4.phpI think it has a TL071 or TL072 opamp but it can probably be changed for something better. It is powered only with 48v phantom so it's design to connect to a micpre. The advantage is the SB-4 can be mounted very close to the piezos. I'll convert one channel and compare it with the other but I don't want to make any permanent changes as the plate is almost pristine. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 4, 2018 11:55:34 GMT -6
I have an Ecoplate I and an Ecoplate III. Both are the only reverb I've owned or used which sound good enough on their own to mute the source. The small III does shorter better, damp it all the way down and mute the source for a chorus/very small room sound. The larger I does medium to long tails very well. I don't know that I've ever used an EMT, the several places I've worked that had one....all had broken ones that were out of service.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 4, 2018 12:37:00 GMT -6
I have an Ecoplate I and an Ecoplate III. Both are the only reverb I've owned or used which sound good enough on their own to mute the source. The small III does shorter better, damp it all the way down and mute the source for a chorus/very small room sound. The larger I does medium to long tails very well. I don't know that I've ever used an EMT, the several places I've worked that had one....all had broken ones that were out of service. I have a buddy with an Ecoplate II. I hope to acquire it some day to fill the hole in my heart the EMTs left. Can't imagine they are bad sounding! Would be a fun DIY project too. Not much too them but man, take a lot of work. |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 4, 2018 16:07:24 GMT -6
I have an Ecoplate I and an Ecoplate III. Both are the only reverb I've owned or used which sound good enough on their own to mute the source. The small III does shorter better, damp it all the way down and mute the source for a chorus/very small room sound. The larger I does medium to long tails very well. I don't know that I've ever used an EMT, the several places I've worked that had one....all had broken ones that were out of service. I have a buddy with an Ecoplate II. I hope to acquire it some day to fill the hole in my heart the EMTs left. Can't imagine they are bad sounding! Would be a fun DIY project too. Not much too them but man, take a lot of work. First one I worked with was a II, and it does bridge the I and III nicely. |
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Post by rowmat on Apr 4, 2018 16:17:02 GMT -6
I believe the Echoplates use stainless steel versus the cold rolled plate in the EMT.
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Post by rowmat on Apr 4, 2018 16:27:39 GMT -6
I was blessed to get to know 2 EMT 140s for a few years. They were amazing. Has anyone heard an Echo Plate? Supposed to be quieter. I haven't heard an Echoplate but I have ordered some new piezos pickups and components to build some low noise preamps for the EMT. Even so I'm not finding the noise objectionable apart from a small amount of 50hz hum which seems to have quietened down in the past week or so. I have to say that the EMT is probably about the best purchase I have made. It literally sends chills down my back when I hear it in a mix and especially on a great vocal. Nothing else I have ever heard does what this magical vintage metal and wood monstrosity can do. |
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