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Post by spindrift on Mar 14, 2018 15:41:24 GMT -6
While editing in RX6, I noticed that all my tracks recorded at 96Khz on my RADAR & D.W. Fearn micpre, there appears this strange ultrasonic HF sine wave. Has anyone ever seen this before? Happened with multiple mics: U67, KM88i etc. Thanks, Keith Attachments:
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Post by svart on Mar 14, 2018 17:28:31 GMT -6
Is that the saw tooth looking thing at the top?
Try a dynamic mic, then switch out the preamp and try again with the u67 to see if it's a preamp issue or a mic and preamp combination issue.
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Post by spindrift on Mar 14, 2018 18:23:33 GMT -6
Thanks Svart. I'll see if I can isolate it to the MicPre...it's definitely some sort of slow ultra-sonic oscillation. I learned another thing about recording too: When doing quiet intricate agtr strums/plucks etc, have the artist take off their watch Hours in RX6 removing watch ticks....
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Post by EmRR on Mar 14, 2018 18:59:59 GMT -6
That's a new one. It's not april fools day yet.....
I've only ever seen single frequency spikes, which tend to relate to specific pieces of equipment, none audible.
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Post by mcirish on Mar 15, 2018 14:11:24 GMT -6
I had a particular reverb plugin (Reflect) that did that if more than two instances were used. Virsyn said they fixed it, but it still happened. It was some super high frequencies that I couldn't hear but it was there and the mastering engineer found it and requested a remix. A very frustrating thing. As others said, I'd swap out the chain one piece at a time till it goes away so you can trace down which piece is the culprit.
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Post by M57 on Mar 15, 2018 15:14:14 GMT -6
Thanks Svart. I'll see if I can isolate it to the MicPre...it's definitely some sort of slow ultra-sonic oscillation. I learned another thing about recording too: When doing quiet intricate agtr strums/plucks etc, have the artist take off their watch Hours in RX6 removing watch ticks.... Don't forget about buttons on sleeves.
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Post by massivemastering on Mar 19, 2018 8:33:48 GMT -6
Quartz watches put out about 32kHz - Along with 1Hz if analog. Automatics & winders put out 21-28kbph (6-8Hz) along with what I'm sure is a glorious song of sweeping high frequencies due to several wound metal springs under tension.
Next time I crack one open (I do that occasionally), maybe I'll mic it up and see what it's doing...
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Post by christopher on Mar 19, 2018 9:45:04 GMT -6
While editing in RX6, I noticed that all my tracks recorded at 96Khz on my RADAR & D.W. Fearn micpre, there appears this strange ultrasonic HF sine wave. Has anyone ever seen this before? Happened with multiple mics: U67, KM88i etc. Thanks, Keith I remember Otari/Radar claiming they cracked the tape sound, and had some secret sauce to make the converters sound like tape. I wonder if this is the secret.. flutter speeds up/slows down? (Seems kinda overly crazy for that on second thought )
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Post by spindrift on Mar 19, 2018 11:13:52 GMT -6
I tried to replicate this yesterday in my home studio/OD/mixroom. I could not with the same setup...output viewed in RX6 was clean as a whistle. The problem tracks were cut in a very remote location, close to a ski resort...and I wonder if the power was super dirty from the lifts running. I am running a Furman Balanced Power unit that weighs like 100lbs (no joke) so that should have cleaned that up I think. I do remember that I had a microphonic/failing tube in my Retro 2A3 EQ that I recently had replaced under warranty by bowie so I wonder if that funky tube could have caused it. Since I do a lot of remotes, maybe I’ll start making a test recording of my crucial channels and inspecting them in RX6 before committing to tracking. Attachments:
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Post by svart on Mar 19, 2018 11:36:11 GMT -6
I tried to replicate this yesterday in my home studio/OD/mixroom. I could not with the same setup...output viewed in RX6 was clean as a whistle. The problem tracks were cut in a very remote location, close to a ski resort...and I wonder if the power was super dirty from the lifts running. I am running a Furman Balanced Power unit that weighs like 100lbs (no joke) so that should have cleaned that up I think. I do remember that I had a microphonic/failing tube in my Retro 2A3 EQ that I recently had replaced under warranty by bowie so I wonder if that funky tube could have caused it. Since I do a lot of remotes, maybe I’ll start making a test recording of my crucial channels and inspecting them in RX6 before committing to tracking. Could be a tube. I had a tube in my LA2A that started to have the slow oscillation in HF that would come down into audible range, then travel back up in to ultrasonics every second or so. Replacing the tube fixed it, but I suspect that the original tube wasn't *bad* per se, it just had more gain in HF and too little compensation to keep it from oscillating in that circuit. IIRC, I used it in a guitar amp when a tube went truly bad, with no problem.
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Post by bowie on Mar 20, 2018 14:58:28 GMT -6
I tried to replicate this yesterday in my home studio/OD/mixroom. I could not with the same setup...output viewed in RX6 was clean as a whistle. The problem tracks were cut in a very remote location, close to a ski resort...and I wonder if the power was super dirty from the lifts running. I am running a Furman Balanced Power unit that weighs like 100lbs (no joke) so that should have cleaned that up I think. I do remember that I had a microphonic/failing tube in my Retro 2A3 EQ that I recently had replaced under warranty by bowie so I wonder if that funky tube could have caused it. Since I do a lot of remotes, maybe I’ll start making a test recording of my crucial channels and inspecting them in RX6 before committing to tracking. I usually don't see anything that uniform and high frequency with tubes but the interesting thing with tube microphonics is the way they interact with the chassis and the vibrations of the power transformer. Tubes can sometimes be dead-quiet in most gear but if they are in a chassis that resonates at the resonant frequency of the tube's glass envelope, you can get awful microphonics. The vibration of the PT can sometimes contribute to this. I can't get that particular tube to exhibit that behavior in any of my gear, but that's not to say there wasn't a "perfect storm" going on that affected it in the Fearn. Is it possible that a client that day/week had an electronic device that could have introduced the noise? With all the high-gain noise testing I do, I sometimes discover problems when I bring in new devices, particularly those running on wi-fi.
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Post by spindrift on Mar 21, 2018 8:37:36 GMT -6
It is a place in which I will likely be tracking again so I’ll have an opportunity to recreate the setup.
Bowie: One idea was that it could have been the guitarist’s watch. And there’s always the bad power scenario to investigate next time too.
Thanks for everyone’s input!
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