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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2018 14:40:53 GMT -6
I thought I'd start a separate thread on this. So, who is using IK's plug ins, what's your favorite(s), what do you like/dislike etc?
I am heavily invested in izotope, UAD and Waves but the conversation around the Stealth Limiter has me thinking. I like the look of IK's "Full Metering" but the CS price for it alone is $125. Might as well spend $25 more and get it in the T-RackS 5 bundle. Or get izotope Insight for $199 and get Stealth for $125 as a single CS plugin. Decisions, decisions. I see some serious demo action in my immediate future.
Anybody ever compared Insight to Full Metering?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 10, 2018 14:55:16 GMT -6
I would definitely encourage you to demo Stealth...there is the possibility that I don't know what I'm talking about  I've been mixing some Conway Twitty covers, so I'm going for the big, thick, darker kinda thing and the Stealth has sounded great. I also got fantastic results for this using Vintage Tape before the Vintage Limiter in Ozone 8...to the point where I'm not sure I'll bother using Stealth...but I need to compare the two. At some point, I just have to let it go and mix... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 10, 2018 15:01:08 GMT -6
OK...just went back and forth using the Vintage Limiter in Ozone and Stealth and I swear Stealth at the highest processing, with the highest ISP settings and set on Harmonics 1 sounds more open and punchy with a bigger bottom and smoother top to me...
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2018 15:33:23 GMT -6
Stealth at the highest processing, with the highest ISP settings and set on Harmonics 1 sounds more open and punchy with a bigger bottom and smoother top to me... This is what I'm looking for. My music is classic-rockish in the vein of Zeppelin. My drummer, bless him, always complains that my rough/listening mixes are too quiet. Loud/open/punchy is the ticket. Downloading the demo now. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 10, 2018 16:12:10 GMT -6
How recently has your drummer had his hearing checked if ever ? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 10, 2018 16:23:21 GMT -6
I use some of their stuff regularly. The API560 gets used a ton. 76 and 2a see some action. The other api and neve emulations too. Don't like the reverbs.
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Post by jeromemason on Mar 10, 2018 17:34:09 GMT -6
I use it everyday. The SSL channel and the Neve 1073/1081 are great. The Stealth is something I'm just starting to get into a little bit. Ozone has such awesome limiters and comps for the mixbuss it's tough for me to stray away from that, but from what I've seen in other threads and heard the Stealth sounds more analog, so I'm going to give it a go on this new mix I was sent today, see how it goes.
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2018 18:17:12 GMT -6
How recently has your drummer had his hearing checked if ever ? He mentions it so regularly it has become a subject of derision. Not the only one, of course. But here I am, searching for a better limiter. To make our tracks more louder. My friends know how to get me to do things. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 10, 2018 19:15:27 GMT -6
Loud, Louder, Loudest, Loudest Plus, Loudest extreme, Totally Loud, Loudener 5000, Talking to God !
Ah, I think that covers it ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 10, 2018 22:10:44 GMT -6
I use the IK Multimedia Ampeg bass amp plug-ins. I actually have one of the bass amps emulated, and they're indistinguishable, except the plug doesn't have the annoying hiss the amp does, so I use the plug.
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Post by subspace on Mar 11, 2018 12:31:01 GMT -6
I use IK heavily, close to exclusively for EQ and dynamics. I own all the T-RackS 5 stuff except the reverbs and combine it with the Soundtoys 5 bundle for delays/modulation. Reverb is usually IR ITB and Lexicon OTB.
Stealth is my final limiter, Master EQ 432 usually finds it's way onto the 2-bus or vocal bus, and I use the comps across multiple subgroups - Precision, Dyna-Mu, Model 670 and Bus Compressor offer a lot of different flavors. The Neve, API and SSL channels are solid, as are the Black and White comps.
I still use hardware over the SSL channel dynamics and a Nail on the 2-bus, as well as a pair of EQP-KTs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 11, 2018 15:03:25 GMT -6
I am liking stealth am just working on remixing with my delta and ob and I think Jk is right it is both clean, controlled and keeps dynamics: nice !
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2018 9:01:35 GMT -6
The results of an informal limiter plugin shootout I had with my band last Saturday night was most interesting. Stealth and Limitless ended up being the favorites and gave very similar results. My bassist preferred Limitless but I thought it was a toss-up. I've held off on buying Stealth for now since I already own Limitless, but bought T-RackS 5 for the meter and master match plugs. So I'm onboard with IK. They always get me in the end - I'm such an easy mark.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 12, 2018 9:11:18 GMT -6
Limiter plugs and drum programs. I’m a sucker.
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Post by kilroyrock on Mar 12, 2018 10:20:02 GMT -6
i have a friend who i showed the t-racks classic bundle, which was all they had at the time, we used it as a one trick pony for the tape saturation preset - he called it the "awesome button" for a mix. It really did make everything compete with finished radio mixes. I still like it, but i don't use it on every mix anymore - just power pop/pop punk songs.
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2018 10:34:03 GMT -6
If I didn't already own Limitless, I'd have to get Stealth. To my ears, Stealth sounds slightly better than Limitless below, say 200hz. Most of the time I hear ever so minutely better punch/transient preservation. It's an exercise in hair-splitting for me (and the band. My vocalist was shaking his head a lot during the shootout. But vocalists do that). OTOH, Limitless wins above 1000hz. Slightly. The difference is subtle enough that unanimous agreement was not a given. We listened a lot before a consensus was reached on Limitless. But I must admit that the shootout could have been better planned and executed, and that's on me. So it's time to jump back, Jack - do it again. A more detailed, rigorous comparison is on for tonight while the demo period is still active. Stealth vs Limitless: a cage match brought to you by Saint John Studio! Does anyone want to guess whether the results will be any different?
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Post by drumrec on Mar 12, 2018 12:40:50 GMT -6
I love "input drive" in COM and MBL |
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Post by dankin on Mar 12, 2018 20:15:19 GMT -6
I only have Stealth. I've been using Pro-L 2 for the most part, but today, I needed to push some refs super hot, because the other mixer on this project gave the label super hot refs and Pro-l 2 wasn't doing it for me. Stealth was immediately better and could be pushed further. I honestly hate having to push mix's that loud, but sometimes I have to. I may just go back to using Stealth, even though I prefer the metering on Pro L 2. Does anybody know why Stealth has way more latency if used on its own vs in the CSrack thing?
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2018 20:38:14 GMT -6
I needed to push some refs super hot What sort of LUFS level were you at? I am so clueless about exactly "what's hot". -10? -7? No idea! Also, I too, wonder why Stealth runs high latency when stand-alone. But I only used it that way once, otherwise I've been demoing it in PT. It's good. Debating it against DMG Limitless tonight. |
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Post by dankin on Mar 12, 2018 20:51:58 GMT -6
I needed to push some refs super hot What sort of LUFS level were you at? I am so clueless about exactly "what's hot". -10? -7? No idea! Also, I too, wonder why Stealth runs high latency when stand-alone. But I only used it that way once, otherwise I've been demoing it in PT. It's good. Debating it against DMG Limitless tonight. -7 to -6 in the loud parts. Which was the majority of the song. I usually aim for -12 to -10 LUFS range on mix's. It's crazy how loud some mix guys send out refs though, sometimes louder than the final master. I've demoed Limitless several times, but it feels to tweaky to me. Big fan of DMG though. |
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Post by matt on Mar 12, 2018 21:47:27 GMT -6
What sort of LUFS level were you at? I am so clueless about exactly "what's hot". -10? -7? No idea! Also, I too, wonder why Stealth runs high latency when stand-alone. But I only used it that way once, otherwise I've been demoing it in PT. It's good. Debating it against DMG Limitless tonight. -7 to -6 in the loud parts. Which was the majority of the song. I usually aim for -12 to -10 LUFS range on mix's. It's crazy how loud some mix guys send out refs though, sometimes louder than the final master. I've demoed Limitless several times, but it feels to tweaky to me. Big fan of DMG though. Thanks, I'm experimenting at -7 with both Limitless and Stealth. Feels pretty crushing - which it is. |
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Post by dankin on Mar 13, 2018 12:54:44 GMT -6
-7 to -6 in the loud parts. Which was the majority of the song. I usually aim for -12 to -10 LUFS range on mix's. It's crazy how loud some mix guys send out refs though, sometimes louder than the final master. I've demoed Limitless several times, but it feels to tweaky to me. Big fan of DMG though. Thanks, I'm experimenting at -7 with both Limitless and Stealth. Feels pretty crushing - which it is. Agreed. Not a fan of it... |
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Post by popmann on Mar 13, 2018 14:11:13 GMT -6
I remember their Pultec sounds far better than the Waves and UAD at single rate because of it's internal upsampling.....but, that at double rate it was it and the Waves were just like any two unmatched units. Also their red colored "opto" is the best bass (DI) compressor I've ever used. It's got that tubey thickness of a 2a or CL1b, but with the static (user selectable) ratio and attack times, it means you can properly compress a bass to "push" correctly.
I haven't demo'd many of the newer ones....as really....I don't have a lot to be longing for....sonically speaking....if they make a lyric writing program, or a "auto Paul Carrack-izer", sign me up for the demo!
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Post by subspace on Sept 1, 2018 15:03:43 GMT -6
If you ever wanted a T-RackS plug-in, it's buy one, get 6 through Labor day!
The Master EQ 432 is nice, and you can get Stealth, the Vari-mu, Precision Com/Limiter, Bus Compressor and one of the API, Neve or SSL channel strips thrown in for the same price. Too bad I already own all of them...
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Post by lcr on Sept 1, 2018 17:45:56 GMT -6
I’ve used the T racks metering plugin for years.. it finally got an upgrade, I cant justify the money for the newer version. I know, dont mix with your eyes, but I know how things should bounce with that thing. I’ve tried others and I really like the IK one.
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I've been mixing some Conway Twitty covers, so I'm going for the big, thick, darker kinda thing and the Stealth has sounded great. I also got fantastic results for this using Vintage Tape before the Vintage Limiter in Ozone 8...to the point where I'm not sure I'll bother using Stealth...but I need to compare the two. At some point, I just have to let it go and mix...
