If you are on logic you really must try smart tempo....

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If you are on logic you really must try smart tempo.... Feb 25, 2018 0:54:26 GMT -6 kcatthedog and mikec like this

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Post by wiz on Feb 25, 2018 0:54:26 GMT -6

I rarely do midi... its 99.9% audio for me, and I do it all myself, which means overdubbing.

There is a lot lost, in performance doing it all yourself.

Smart Tempo is going to change something in that for me.

I just took a song that was tracked at a steady 108bpm.

I had already laid down drums bass, guitar dobro picking part and vocal.

I kept a 4 click intro, muted all the tracks in the project , and then played a rhythm guitar part , whilst singing the tune, at a faster tempo... which resulted in around 114bpm which varied naturally with my intensity.

I Turned on flex for all the tracks, and using SMART TEMPO got it to follow my free played acoustic and vocal and it adjusted everything else to it, no pitch change, no warbling.

Flawless. Couldnt detect anything bad happening to the audio I had previously recorded at a static 108 BPM.

So I wiped the tempo map, and hand drew one in, 114 BPM for the into Verses at 112 chorus at 115, then a ritard over the last two bars going down to 90... worked flawlessly.

This means, you can do your tracking to the grid, as I have always done... but, if you find you need it a bit faster or slower, no penalty, and takes seconds to do.... you can also do what popmann did and get the whole song to conform to a free played track (like I did in the first example) ...

This is a brilliant feature

Cheers

Wiz

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If you are on logic you really must try smart tempo.... Feb 25, 2018 1:24:25 GMT -6 wiz and kcatthedog like this

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Post by ragan on Feb 25, 2018 1:24:25 GMT -6

Feb 25, 2018 0:54:26 GMT -6 wiz said:

I rarely do midi... its 99.9% audio for me, and I do it all myself, which means overdubbing.

There is a lot lost, in performance doing it all yourself.

Smart Tempo is going to change something in that for me.

I just took a song that was tracked at a steady 108bpm.

I had already laid down drums bass, guitar dobro picking part and vocal.

I kept a 4 click intro, muted all the tracks in the project , and then played a rhythm guitar part , whilst singing the tune, at a faster tempo... which resulted in around 114bpm which varied naturally with my intensity.

I Turned on flex for all the tracks, and using SMART TEMPO got it to follow my free played acoustic and vocal and it adjusted everything else to it, no pitch change, no warbling.

Flawless. Couldnt detect anything bad happening to the audio I had previously recorded at a static 108 BPM.

So I wiped the tempo map, and hand drew one in, 114 BPM for the into Verses at 112 chorus at 115, then a ritard over the last two bars going down to 90... worked flawlessly.

This means, you can do your tracking to the grid, as I have always done... but, if you find you need it a bit faster or slower, no penalty, and takes seconds to do.... you can also do what popmann did and get the whole song to conform to a free played track (like I did in the first example) ...

This is a brilliant feature

Cheers

Wiz

That is indeed super cool.

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If you are on logic you really must try smart tempo.... Feb 25, 2018 9:44:02 GMT -6 wiz and kcatthedog like this

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Post by terryrocks on Feb 25, 2018 9:44:02 GMT -6

I imported a friends bass/gtr song idea, then had logic build a click that was tempo adapted to the audio. Made it possible for me to track drums to the other parts. Without the click my tempo would drag and rush so much it would be unlistenable.

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If you are on logic you really must try smart tempo.... Feb 25, 2018 10:16:45 GMT -6

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Post by joseph on Feb 25, 2018 10:16:45 GMT -6

Does it really sound as good going slower though? Generally timestretch works better speeding audio up than slowing it down, given the interpolation.

A situation I'd use something like this for is a drummer without click pushing an end chorus too hard, for example. But when I've tried Izotope it still sounded shit on the transient impact.
I'd expect a chorus played too slowly vs another chorus to work better.

But very cool to have a metronome that can follow the track with the emotional center of the song.

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If you are on logic you really must try smart tempo.... Feb 25, 2018 11:54:47 GMT -6 joseph likes this

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Post by popmann on Feb 25, 2018 11:54:47 GMT -6

What you're describing is my "long way around" I've done with Cubase for years for quick demos....play to a click, because nothing makes stuff go faster than it not mattering if the tempo/feel is good to begin with....and then muting all of it, and doing a live take to then have all that (mixture of audio and MIDI) follow the new tempo map.

For me, of course, it does the opposite....quite literally--I can skip the step with clicks all together.

This is amaze balls for demos. This is why I asked in that other thread. I have many concerns about this (nods to Steve) "Post DAW era of music software".....the resampling isn't transparent when there have BEEN NO intended changes...and making anything significant in slowing stretching is unusable. But, part of that is what comes JUST enabling it....for a demo, there's literally nothing that comes near this. But, I also wouldn't want this to be my platform for going north of that....Apple has not fixed the timing issues with MIDI before mapping audio transients to the PPQN grid.....so, for sheer function, this is killer--and for a demo, that MATTERS....like....a LOT...if you immediately take any musical idea and play it to a click, it's like you've throw away part of the inspired idea to me. I heard THIS....but, to demo it I need to play THIS bent into THAT....? You really did....and then once you hear the idea that way a thousand times as you write lyrics....as you play it for a band in the studio....it morphs "how it goes" into a clicked tempo. So, this is UUUgge for musicians demoing their ideas.

I could wax on for years about the pitfalls of this from an audio perspective. It's NOT transparent. Logic in general is not transparent....neither is MixBuss, in probably a different way....we are truly entering the "post DAW era" of music software. It's been headed that way for a while, but....this will be lauded as a turning point, I think.