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Post by c0rtland on Feb 14, 2018 17:59:21 GMT -6
So who's going to start bringing high school kids into their living rooms to perform? That's really what's different between then and now. I wish to God I could! I have literally done this. 'Sofar sounds' organizes these kinds of house shows.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 14, 2018 18:07:38 GMT -6
Good for you! I'd probably look for a more local approach than Sofar Sounds because you want high school kids coming and the artists making at least a little money.
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 14, 2018 23:04:27 GMT -6
So who's going to start bringing high school kids into their living rooms to perform? That's really what's different between then and now. I wish to God I could! Would be very cool. I have been extremely fortunate to be the engineer at what I would call a "deluxe home studio" on the east coast. It's got iso, glass, Avid C24, HD IO etc etc. It is associated with a very nice music school in town for kids. I've gotten to record high schoolers and middle schoolers who play chamber music and jazz combo stuff and are darn good. I wish more people would get together and just shed. Play the tunes down. Work em, practice on their own... listen back etc. It's a process that needs to just happen continually. That age is great too because they aren't cynics yet. I'm just a grumpy guy at 33 now. It makes a difference.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 15, 2018 11:00:17 GMT -6
Practice is good but I'm really talking about high school kids performing music they created themselves in front of an audience of their peers. The age of highest musical creativity is around 16!
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Post by john on Feb 16, 2018 10:36:23 GMT -6
really enjoyed the video and story. great points in the thread too. especially relate to Cortland. as a 30something dude I try to find the balance between respecting the past, representing my own gen and understanding what the youth are doing.
in the same spirit check out this video of a Serge Gainsbourg session that I go back to often:
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Post by nobtwiddler on Feb 16, 2018 11:11:15 GMT -6
Looks like it might be a Helios console, if this was shot in London as I suspect?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 16, 2018 20:08:24 GMT -6
This is pretty fascinating, a 1964 RCA demo session. Link is an article about it, and the 14-ish minute film is embedded. It's interesting to see the working distance for the group around the U67, and there in the room with the other instruments. www.jazzwax.com/2017/07/complete-audition-at-rca.htmlHa! One of the singers in that film, David Lucas, is the co-producer of three Blue Oyster Cult albums, and the original "Bruce Dickenson," who actually played the cowbell on "Don't Fear The Reaper." David and his business partner ran "Lucas/McFall," a major NYC jingle house in the late sixties, seventies and eighties, and where BOC recorded its first LP for Columbia. David had the first 8 trk Scully tape machine in NYC. His studio on W.46st was eventually sold to Wycliff Jean. That. Is. Badass
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 16, 2018 20:12:01 GMT -6
God I love this thread. Even the glimpse of days past from the video and it has people being all nice and happy. Even Johnny boy played nice, in his own way. Soul humanity genuineness communication talent work professionalism dress for the job melody simplicity creativity vulnerability class taste pride respect eye contact. Culture has become more individualistic and that leads to the need to prove oneself by his or her own accomplishments and self expression and recognition. As opposed to the importance of family, values, and community. So we portray perfection on Instagram and auto-tuned music surrealism. I'm not saying one is wrong or right. Both have merit, and both can suffocate you. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for what I barely had a chance to experience and witness from my grandparents and old films / art / history. Yet nostalgia lies. The grass is always greener because we fertalize it with bullsh*t I'll balance my opinion with my next opinion. I find myself respecting younger generations and make a conscious effort to see what they are discovering and bringing to this life. As different and apparently backwards and anemic as their new approach to life can seem, the kids usually end up being right. We can look back and learn but also look to the youth and learn from their sensibilities and approach to life. There are enough seats at the table. Eventually their hay day will be the good old days and for all we know they will be correct. And it goes on. Or we’ve been dumbing this shit down since Mozart. Lol
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 16, 2018 20:25:13 GMT -6
God I love this thread. Even the glimpse of days past from the video and it has people being all nice and happy. Even Johnny boy played nice, in his own way. Soul humanity genuineness communication talent work professionalism dress for the job melody simplicity creativity vulnerability class taste pride respect eye contact. Culture has become more individualistic and that leads to the need to prove oneself by his or her own accomplishments and self expression and recognition. As opposed to the importance of family, values, and community. So we portray perfection on Instagram and auto-tuned music surrealism. I'm not saying one is wrong or right. Both have merit, and both can suffocate you. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for what I barely had a chance to experience and witness from my grandparents and old films / art / history. Yet nostalgia lies. The grass is always greener because we fertalize it with bullsh*t I'll balance my opinion with my next opinion. I find myself respecting younger generations and make a conscious effort to see what they are discovering and bringing to this life. As different and apparently backwards and anemic as their new approach to life can seem, the kids usually end up being right. We can look back and learn but also look to the youth and learn from their sensibilities and approach to life. There are enough seats at the table. Eventually their hay day will be the good old days and for all we know they will be correct. And it goes on. Or we’ve been dumbing this shit down since Mozart. Lol True. The guy was as gifted as can be, musically. Story has it, when he was 14 he witnessed a 9 part choral piece that the vatican would not publish. He memorized it as he watched and listened then went home and wrote it out.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 17, 2018 6:15:21 GMT -6
Well.....and a certain segment expects all music to sound autotuned. In that way that everything from the 90's and back sounds out of tune (not my opinion). I feel like far fewer people on a local level tape their own shows for review now, and really don't know what it sounded like, to even know they should work on it. I was at a friends house the other day and his playlist brought up some early 90s stuff and you’re right. Sharps and flats all over the place. I know those songs so well, but twenty years of auto tuned music has made me a lot more sensitive to it I guess. Autotuned music bothers me. To me "tuning" totally ruins the appeal of a song.
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Post by M57 on Feb 17, 2018 8:12:35 GMT -6
This is pretty fascinating, a 1964 RCA demo session. Link is an article about it, and the 14-ish minute film is embedded. It's interesting to see the working distance for the group around the U67, and there in the room with the other instruments. www.jazzwax.com/2017/07/complete-audition-at-rca.htmlCan't say that I remember singing any LHR charts, but I sang a TON of Hi-Lo's and Singer's Unlimited arrangements in jazz ensembles back in the late 70's at Berklee. Ensemble size ranged from 4-5 to about 8 or 9 max and we always rehearsed in a circle or a semi-circle (not unlike how you see it in the session EmRR posted). One thing that our director did that I never really made a studio-technique related connection to until years later was that he would occasionally hold out his fist in the center of the ensemble and demand that we focus the energy of our voices at that point. If you lapsed, he heard it (while he was singing with the ensemble) and gave you hell because he had to put his fist back out there to remind you where he wanted the sound. I mean, we kind of knew it was a microphone because we would perform into a mic, but at the time I just assumed it was simply about the way good jazz ensembles sing more than an ensemble mic-technique. If you've never heard Singer's Unlimited or a Gene Puerling arrangement before, you're in for a treat.. Undeniably his work heavily influenced a genre of acapella groups like Take 6, Pentatonix, ect.. ..obviously multi-tracked, but it was cutting edge at the time. I'm guessing they would have made one pass as an ensemble, then doubled and perhaps even tripled some voices, but Puerling cut his teeth old school and was a master of one pass/no overdub recording. Oh, and no auto-tune ;P
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Post by jamiesego on Feb 26, 2018 18:01:27 GMT -6
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 26, 2018 21:19:19 GMT -6
I'd like to encounter a singing group of that size that could even attempt work like that. I’ve done quite a few sessions like this as a vocalist. They’re a lot of fun.
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Post by ericn on Feb 26, 2018 22:01:45 GMT -6
I'd like to encounter a singing group of that size that could even attempt work like that. I’ve done quite a few sessions like this as a vocalist. They’re a lot of fun. They are fun if the Talent has the talent! If not they are like a case of the flu!
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