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Post by EmRR on Feb 11, 2018 22:13:58 GMT -6
This is pretty fascinating, a 1964 RCA demo session. Link is an article about it, and the 14-ish minute film is embedded. It's interesting to see the working distance for the group around the U67, and there in the room with the other instruments. www.jazzwax.com/2017/07/complete-audition-at-rca.html |
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Post by drbill on Feb 11, 2018 22:41:35 GMT -6
Old School!!
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Post by EmRR on Feb 12, 2018 8:19:52 GMT -6
I'd like to encounter a singing group of that size that could even attempt work like that.
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Post by drbill on Feb 12, 2018 10:38:20 GMT -6
I'd like to encounter a singing group of that size that could even attempt work like that. I've recorded like that many times. My favorite has been on 149 or 49's. Yeah, you need good singers, but the studio pro's in LA pull that off every day, and double / triple with ease. I love working in a great studio like that. So fun!! |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 12, 2018 10:46:27 GMT -6
I'd like to encounter a singing group of that size that could even attempt work like that. I've recorded like that many times. My favorite has been on 149 or 49's. Yeah, you need good singers, but the studio pro's in LA pull that off every day, and double / triple with ease. I love working in a great studio like that. So fun!! Yeah, no 'studio pro's' around here. If I were doing choral work, sure, but no one else is that practiced. I try to get people to work that way, and it's not long before they freak out and decide they need to single track and tune. |
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Post by donr on Feb 12, 2018 10:57:56 GMT -6
This is pretty fascinating, a 1964 RCA demo session. Link is an article about it, and the 14-ish minute film is embedded. It's interesting to see the working distance for the group around the U67, and there in the room with the other instruments. www.jazzwax.com/2017/07/complete-audition-at-rca.htmlHa! One of the singers in that film, David Lucas, is the co-producer of three Blue Oyster Cult albums, and the original "Bruce Dickenson," who actually played the cowbell on "Don't Fear The Reaper." David and his business partner ran "Lucas/McFall," a major NYC jingle house in the late sixties, seventies and eighties, and where BOC recorded its first LP for Columbia. David had the first 8 trk Scully tape machine in NYC. His studio on W.46st was eventually sold to Wycliff Jean. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 12, 2018 11:06:02 GMT -6
I'd like to encounter a singing group of that size that could even attempt work like that. I've recorded like that many times. My favorite has been on 149 or 49's. Yeah, you need good singers, but the studio pro's in LA pull that off every day, and double / triple with ease. I love working in a great studio like that. So fun!! Yup. Easy peasy for them. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 12, 2018 11:07:54 GMT -6
I've recorded like that many times. My favorite has been on 149 or 49's. Yeah, you need good singers, but the studio pro's in LA pull that off every day, and double / triple with ease. I love working in a great studio like that. So fun!! Yeah, no 'studio pro's' around here. If I were doing choral work, sure, but no one else is that practiced. I try to get people to work that way, and it's not long before they freak out and decide they need to single track and tune. I mean hey, it's not like in that vid you can't hear some "humanity" on some of those harmonies and notes. I miss that sound. But people are understandably fearful of putting themselves out there like that in todays tune-every-breath world. It's almost like steroids in baseball. You wanna be the guy that is clean or the guy who has a shot competing with the guys who are juicing? |
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Post by EmRR on Feb 12, 2018 11:09:56 GMT -6
This is pretty fascinating, a 1964 RCA demo session. Link is an article about it, and the 14-ish minute film is embedded. It's interesting to see the working distance for the group around the U67, and there in the room with the other instruments. www.jazzwax.com/2017/07/complete-audition-at-rca.htmlHa! One of the singers in that film, David Lucas, is the co-producer of three Blue Oyster Cult albums, and the original "Bruce Dickenson," who actually played the cowbell on "Don't Fear The Reaper." David and his business partner ran "Lucas/McFall," a major NYC jingle house in the late sixties, seventies and eighties, and where BOC recorded its first LP for Columbia. David had the first 8 trk Scully tape machine in NYC. His studio on W.46st was eventually sold to Wycliff Jean. Don! That's amazing! Thanks for fleshing that out. I have one other bonus question: is Bob Van Dyke the infamous Robert Van Dyke vintage audio salesman, or do they just share the name? |
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 12, 2018 11:10:38 GMT -6
All I'm saying is goodness gracious Mary Vonnie. If I had been around back then...
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Post by donr on Feb 12, 2018 11:21:30 GMT -6
Doug, I'm not sure what David Lucas' connection with Dave Lambert and co. was, but we could ask him. He's in FL and still active. David himself found this film online and linked it to me a while ago.
David Lucas is on facebook and you could probably contact him there.
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Post by donr on Feb 12, 2018 22:56:03 GMT -6
All I'm saying is goodness gracious Mary Vonnie. If I had been around back then... At the risk of offending the young, in 1964, women were women and men were men. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 13, 2018 9:18:17 GMT -6
All I'm saying is goodness gracious Mary Vonnie. If I had been around back then... At the risk of offending the young, in 1964, women were women and men were men. This is kind of what I wanted to speculate but kept my trap shut... Once in a while you run across them these days but they are certainly the exception. |
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Post by ragan on Feb 13, 2018 10:49:10 GMT -6
Shit, ya’ll need to get out more. This planet is crawling with lovely women. Always has been.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 13, 2018 10:50:37 GMT -6
I've recorded like that many times. My favorite has been on 149 or 49's. Yeah, you need good singers, but the studio pro's in LA pull that off every day, and double / triple with ease. I love working in a great studio like that. So fun!! Yeah, no 'studio pro's' around here. If I were doing choral work, sure, but no one else is that practiced. I try to get people to work that way, and it's not long before they freak out and decide they need to single track and tune. Feh! Maybe they should spend more time practicing their singing instead of yakking on Facebook and playing games on their phones.... |
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 13, 2018 18:55:44 GMT -6
Yup.
Got plenty of good musicians around these parts. Maybe they aren't as prevalent as those days but they are around...
I think there are just more people who expect to record that don't have the skills now. Back then it was the same as performing. You had to do well and play the song down. The only difference was you were in a studio with a mic. Now it's as if they are two completely different processes.
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Post by EmRR on Feb 13, 2018 19:18:27 GMT -6
Well.....and a certain segment expects all music to sound autotuned. In that way that everything from the 90's and back sounds out of tune (not my opinion). I feel like far fewer people on a local level tape their own shows for review now, and really don't know what it sounded like, to even know they should work on it.
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Post by winetree on Feb 13, 2018 19:37:00 GMT -6
A taped performance would have saved time and money.
I had one R n R group in the studio that found out their lead singer couldn't sing.
The band members were never really able to hear him at the live performances.
He was replaced.
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Post by matt@IAA on Feb 13, 2018 21:17:59 GMT -6
Well.....and a certain segment expects all music to sound autotuned. In that way that everything from the 90's and back sounds out of tune (not my opinion). I feel like far fewer people on a local level tape their own shows for review now, and really don't know what it sounded like, to even know they should work on it. I was at a friends house the other day and his playlist brought up some early 90s stuff and you’re right. Sharps and flats all over the place. I know those songs so well, but twenty years of auto tuned music has made me a lot more sensitive to it I guess. |
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Post by c0rtland on Feb 13, 2018 22:58:00 GMT -6
God I love this thread. Even the glimpse of days past from the video and it has people being all nice and happy. Even Johnny boy played nice, in his own way.
Soul humanity genuineness communication talent work professionalism dress for the job melody simplicity creativity vulnerability class taste pride respect eye contact.
Culture has become more individualistic and that leads to the need to prove oneself by his or her own accomplishments and self expression and recognition. As opposed to the importance of family, values, and community. So we portray perfection on Instagram and auto-tuned music surrealism.
I'm not saying one is wrong or right. Both have merit, and both can suffocate you. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for what I barely had a chance to experience and witness from my grandparents and old films / art / history. Yet nostalgia lies. The grass is always greener because we fertalize it with bullsh*t
I'll balance my opinion with my next opinion. I find myself respecting younger generations and make a conscious effort to see what they are discovering and bringing to this life. As different and apparently backwards and anemic as their new approach to life can seem, the kids usually end up being right. We can look back and learn but also look to the youth and learn from their sensibilities and approach to life. There are enough seats at the table. Eventually their hay day will be the good old days and for all we know they will be correct. And it goes on.
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Post by ragan on Feb 13, 2018 23:14:34 GMT -6
God I love this thread. Even the glimpse of days past from the video and it has people being all nice and happy. Even Johnny boy played nice, in his own way. Soul humanity genuineness communication talent work professionalism dress for the job melody simplicity creativity vulnerability class taste pride respect eye contact. Culture has become more individualistic and that leads to the need to prove oneself by his or her own accomplishments and self expression and recognition. As opposed to the importance of family, values, and community. So we portray perfection on Instagram and auto-tuned music surrealism. I'm not saying one is wrong or right. Both have merit, and both can suffocate you. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for what I barely had a chance to experience and witness from my grandparents and old films / art / history. Yet nastalgia lies. The grass is always greener because we fertalize it with bullsh*t I'll balance my opinion with my next opinion. I find myself respecting younger generations and make a conscious effort to see what they are discovering and bringing to this life. As different and apparently backwards and anemic as their new approach to life can seem, the kids usually end up being right. We can look back and learn but also look to the youth and learn from their sensibilities and approach to life. There are enough seats at the table. Eventually their hay day will be the good old days and for all we know they will be correct. And it goes on. Great post. |
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Post by donr on Feb 14, 2018 0:17:32 GMT -6
Good points all, but I'm of the opinion my generation, the Woodstock generation, has done a less than stellar job of it.
And the first consequence of the dawn of the information age we are living in, is BS and flim-flam are flourishing with the new tools and tech. I am confident eventually, people will become inured to it as they wise up. Who would have predicted 20 yrs ago, without spam filters, half your incoming mail, or more, would be from criminals?
It's a great time to be alive. And I'm glad to have been a teenager in the sixties and to have lived the changes made over the span of time to today.
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 14, 2018 13:42:06 GMT -6
A taped performance would have saved time and money. I had one R n R group in the studio that found out their lead singer couldn't sing. The band members were never really able to hear him at the live performances. He was replaced. Most bands very rarely have any idea what they sound like onstage. To be fair, it's not always their fault. |
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Post by johneppstein on Feb 14, 2018 13:51:01 GMT -6
I'm not saying one is wrong or right. Both have merit, and both can suffocate you. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic for what I barely had a chance to experience and witness from my grandparents and old films / art / history. Yet nostalgia lies. The grass is always greener because we fertalize it with bullsh*t I'll balance my opinion with my next opinion. I find myself respecting younger generations and make a conscious effort to see what they are discovering and bringing to this life. As different and apparently backwards and anemic as their new approach to life can seem, the kids usually end up being right. We can look back and learn but also look to the youth and learn from their sensibilities and approach to life. There are enough seats at the table. Eventually their hay day will be the good old days and for all we know they will be correct. And it goes on. OTOH it's difficult to discover much when you never get out of your bedroom and interact with other people. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/?utm_source=hpfb |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 14, 2018 14:55:22 GMT -6
So who's going to start bringing high school kids into their living rooms to perform? That's really what's different between then and now. I wish to God I could!
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