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Post by mikec on Apr 8, 2018 18:44:21 GMT -6
I should have my new SE tomorrow to go with my 16x16. I plan on using the analog inputs for the summed feed from my 2Bus+ and the AES I/O for my Bricasti thus freeing up 4 channels on my 16x16 module. I am also curious to see if I can do without my dangerous source for monitoring since I really only really need it for the additional headphone outputs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 8, 2018 19:18:06 GMT -6
Let us know your thoughts?
If you don’t need 24 channels, the 2 mastering channels in the same chassis for 18 total would be sweet, plus you regain the i/o you don’t have on the 16x16 !
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Post by mikec on Apr 10, 2018 8:03:50 GMT -6
My 2x6se module showed up yesterday and it was pretty much a breeze to install. I actually moved my 16x16 module to slot 2 on my Symphony and put the 2x6se module in slot one so I could take advantage of monitoring from the new 2x6se module. Installation was quick and easy and after getting it back in my rack and everything hooked up I updated the software and firmware and everything worked great. I've been monitoring through the Dangerous Source and it has been great, but I connected my speakers directly to analog output 1&2 from the 2x6se and could immediately hear things in a mix I am working on that I was not hearing through the Source. I still have the Source connected to the 2x6se module via SPDIF so I can use the two headphone outputs on the Source. All in all (after one evening of playing around with it) I am very happy with the addition of the 2x6se. The only thing I've not figured out yet is running my Bricasti via the AES I/O on the 2x6se. I've been using the Bricasti on an aux track in Pro Tools via its analog I/O patched pretty much permanently on channels 15&16 of the Symphony and and it sounds incredible, but I wanted to run it via the AES I/O on the 2x6se. I can see signal going in and coming out on the AES meters in Symphony control and I can see signal on the Bricasti's front panel meter but I can't seem to get any output in pro tools when I bus tracks to the Aux with the Bricasti. I'm sure it must be something with my I/O in pro tools so if anyone is a pro tools super user and has experience connecting hardware via digital I/O, I would appreciate any feedback.
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Post by aremos on Apr 10, 2018 8:24:48 GMT -6
Are you on HD(TDM), HDnative or HDX?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 10, 2018 8:26:56 GMT -6
Shouldn't one of your digital outputs in the Symphony Control software be set to the corresponding AES channels? That stuff is so confusing to me.
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Post by mikec on Apr 10, 2018 8:36:37 GMT -6
Shouldn't one of your digital outputs in the Symphony Control software be set to the corresponding AES channels? That stuff is so confusing to me. That is what's strange. In the Symphony Control Software it clearly shows signal going to the Bricasti on the input of the AES channel and it shows signal on the meter of the AES output. When I mute the Aux track that I have Bricasti on the signal stops, but I can't figure out how to route in Pro Tools so I can hear the Bricasti via digital. I'm using Pro Tools native so I am thinking it must have something to do with how I have my pro tools I/O set up. I'm hoping to get it figured out today through a lot of trial and error. Apogee tech support is great via their chat so I may try that, but that's kind of like asking for directions. I need to get thoroughly frustrated first and exhaust all efforts on my own before resorting to something like that.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 10, 2018 8:50:40 GMT -6
Is the AES on the 2x6SE independent of the analog section? Meaning, on my 16x16, I have 2 channels of SPDIF i/o, but that's tied to channels 1&2 of the analog i/o. So, I can't use the spdif as two extra channels of i/o, I can only use them INSTEAD of those analog channels (because I think they're set to mirroring only, or something like that.) That's a big gripe of mine. Motu and Apollo can give you independent digital i/o, but not Apogee. Boo.
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Post by mikec on Apr 10, 2018 9:20:56 GMT -6
Is the AES on the 2x6SE independent of the analog section? Meaning, on my 16x16, I have 2 channels of SPDIF i/o, but that's tied to channels 1&2 of the analog i/o. So, I can't use the spdif as two extra channels of i/o, I can only use them INSTEAD of those analog channels (because I think they're set to mirroring only, or something like that.) That's a big gripe of mine. Motu and Apollo can give you independent digital i/o, but not Apogee. Boo. Yes, the AES on the 2x6se is independent of the analog section. Basically it is two analog in and 6 analog out, but has 8 digital in and 8 digital out via AES and ADAT/Optical. The SPDIF on the 2x6se still works the same way as the 16x16 but I confirmed with Apogee before purchasing the 2x6se the the AES and ADAT are independent from the analog I/o.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 10, 2018 9:55:44 GMT -6
Is the AES on the 2x6SE independent of the analog section? Meaning, on my 16x16, I have 2 channels of SPDIF i/o, but that's tied to channels 1&2 of the analog i/o. So, I can't use the spdif as two extra channels of i/o, I can only use them INSTEAD of those analog channels (because I think they're set to mirroring only, or something like that.) That's a big gripe of mine. Motu and Apollo can give you independent digital i/o, but not Apogee. Boo. Yes, the AES on the 2x6se is independent of the analog section. Basically it is two analog in and 6 analog out, but has 8 digital in and 8 digital out via AES and ADAT/Optical. The SPDIF on the 2x6se still works the same way as the 16x16 but I confirmed with Apogee before purchasing the 2x6se the the AES and ADAT are independent from the analog I/o. What's your fan running at with two cards? Can you keep an eye on it when you start doing fuller session work with both cards going? I had an 8x8 and a 16x16 and the fan was going around 40%, if I recall.
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Post by mikec on Apr 10, 2018 10:02:16 GMT -6
Yes, the AES on the 2x6se is independent of the analog section. Basically it is two analog in and 6 analog out, but has 8 digital in and 8 digital out via AES and ADAT/Optical. The SPDIF on the 2x6se still works the same way as the 16x16 but I confirmed with Apogee before purchasing the 2x6se the the AES and ADAT are independent from the analog I/o. What's your fan running at with two cards? Can you keep an eye on it when you start doing fuller session work with both cards going? I had an 8x8 and a 16x16 and the fan was going around 40%, if I recall. I will keep an eye on it and report back. My Symphony is in a two bay rack right next to my mixing position and at least last night the fan never came on after the initial startup.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 10, 2018 10:19:58 GMT -6
That’s interesting that the new card seems to address some of the deficiencies of the base 8x8 or 16x16 module: value add!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 10, 2018 11:54:40 GMT -6
Yes, the AES on the 2x6se is independent of the analog section. Basically it is two analog in and 6 analog out, but has 8 digital in and 8 digital out via AES and ADAT/Optical. The SPDIF on the 2x6se still works the same way as the 16x16 but I confirmed with Apogee before purchasing the 2x6se the the AES and ADAT are independent from the analog I/o. What's your fan running at with two cards? Can you keep an eye on it when you start doing fuller session work with both cards going? I had an 8x8 and a 16x16 and the fan was going around 40%, if I recall. I have an 8x8 and fan currently says 34%...but it's dead quiet.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 10, 2018 14:13:40 GMT -6
Attachment DeletedMikec, Did you check settings on your Bricasti. I’ve been using mine analog, and was looking to do the same thing as you...go Aes/Ebu into Symphony. Maybe check the settings in your Bricasti unit. Did you change your audio format to digital within your system settings?
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Post by mikec on Apr 10, 2018 14:55:14 GMT -6
Mikec, Did you check settings on your Bricasti. I’ve been using mine analog, and was looking to do the same thing as you...go Aes/Ebu into Symphony. Maybe check the settings in your Bricasti unit. Did you change your audio format to digital within your system settings? I figured it out today and it was an easy adjustment. Pro Tools requires the same channels for input and output when inserting hardware. By default the Apogee control software has the AES input to inputs 19-20 in the setup I have with the 2x6se in slot one and the 16x16 in slot 2, but it defaulted the AES output to 23-24. All I had to do to use the Bricasti on an Aux track via AES was change the AES output in the Symphony control software to outputs 19-20 and set my I/O plug inserted in the Aux track to 19-20 and then just bus any tracks to the Bricasti aux and everything worked great. The cool thing is I can leave the Bricasti connected via analog and digital and just switch back and forth based on my workflow. In going back and forth today, I could not tell any difference in analog or digital. Regarding the fan on the Symphony now that I've added the 2x6se module, I've been mixing a project today with all of the tracks stemming out to the 2Bus+ and coming back in on analog 1&2 on the new 2x6se module and have not heard the fan running. The one time I did check, even though I could not hear it, it was at 28% and 145 degrees F.
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