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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 16, 2018 9:57:53 GMT -6
I just got this from Zen pro, and I can't quite tell what the difference is between this and their Apollo Twins. It seems like they've just added a few more "free" plug-ins to a new interface. www.zenproaudio.com/universal-audio-arrow
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 16, 2018 10:41:10 GMT -6
With the amount of processing the newer plugins use - it doesn’t seem like the solo card would have enough power to do all that much.
Main difference to me seems to be that it’s bus powered. Could be a cool mobile demo unit for when you’re on the go?
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Post by b0b0 on Jan 16, 2018 10:59:29 GMT -6
I too am curious.
The business model has to be shifting to making all the money from UAD; so facilitating this with cheap hardware is key. They likely didn't want to waterdown the Apollo name/line. I know I'd be pissed if I spent $899 on an Apollo and then they dropped the price in half. haha
With that said - I'd love someone who understands the stuff to explain to me how decent the converters are in this thing. I've been contemplating a replacement of my Duet writing rig...wonder if this is worth the upgrade (note, I'm NOT a UAD addict, so it's not a major draw)
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2018 11:02:40 GMT -6
yes exactly bus powered so no psu needed just runs off your computer
as it comes stock with just one sharc chip, though that seems really lame or people are wondering if maybe it has the sort of dual core sharc chip ?
wish UA would stop this game of releasing to a low price point but a device that will just frustrate most serious users or lower the price of the sharc chip devices and start with 2 ?
this should have the same ad da as in the current twin which is the same a the current bf apollo 8?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2018 11:06:05 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jan 16, 2018 12:18:31 GMT -6
yes exactly bus powered so no psu needed just runs off your computer as it comes stock with just one sharc chip, though that seems really lame or people are wondering if maybe it has the sort of dual core sharc chip ? wish UA would stop this game of releasing to a low price point but a device that will just frustrate most serious users or lower the price of the sharc chip devices and start with 2 ? this should have the same ad da as in the current twin which is the same a the current bf apollo 8? The problem with the UAD model has always been you need the dealer who will make nothing off the plugins push the hardware. Solution entry level piece where if you become addicted to the audio crack that is UAD plugins, you will need more horsepower. Solution? Upgrade your interface or buy a satellite or two or..., dealer has another sale!
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Post by donr on Jan 16, 2018 12:27:53 GMT -6
A T-bolt Octo has plenty of horsepower for me.
VK says you can run a Unison pre, LA-2a and EQ on the Arrow. I guess Tbolt 3 (and USB-C) can power the box.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2018 12:34:39 GMT -6
I get buy with a Quad Satellite...Rarely run out of power, but when I do I just freeze. No biggie.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 16, 2018 12:35:08 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2018 13:23:52 GMT -6
A T-bolt Octo has plenty of horsepower for me. VK says you can run a Unison pre, LA-2a and EQ on the Arrow. I guess Tbolt 3 (and USB-C) can power the box. of course, but the octo is no use when tracking, only on board apollo interface sharc chips are on line for tracking in console so the video is a little misleading as the mix they play probably was not achieved with just the arrow
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2018 13:25:34 GMT -6
I haven't heard anything but am not as active on ua forum anymore, given i sold everything they must be focussed on namm but I wonder if we will hear anything officially ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2018 13:26:31 GMT -6
UA is releasing a new os update today so I guess some new plug ins too ?
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 16, 2018 13:50:30 GMT -6
They can take that arrow and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine as far as I’m concerned. Sorry, I haven’t had any sleep and was expecting something more...well much cooler and interesting-like for ex.: 16 unison preamps the next gen sharc chips touting two Octocores internally with a better front end and better clocking capability! That Arrow just irritates me and rubs me the wrong way. Are we taking steps back now...or see a new low end market they haven’t tapped into yet.
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Post by jeromemason on Jan 16, 2018 14:35:02 GMT -6
With that said - I'd love someone who understands the stuff to explain to me how decent the converters are in this thing. I've been contemplating a replacement of my Duet writing rig...wonder if this is worth the upgrade (note, I'm NOT a UAD addict, so it's not a major draw) Converter technology over the past 5 years has exponentially increased in quality without an exponential increase in price. It's how MOTU was able to build an interface like the 16a for $1,400 and it go step for step with an Apogee Symphony. Also companies are putting more thought into new ways of designing around these chips, putting more emphasis on improving jitter and noise, two things that can plague even the best converter chips out there. UA can simply reverse engineer their own premium products' design, use slightly less expensive building materials and features, and crank out cheaper interfaces with great sounding conversion. We are getting to a point now that companies are getting close to building totally transparent converters, which I mean nothing from the entire circuit corrupts the process of converting either AD/DA. But, I will say that having a great quality dedicated external clock is essential in locking down any converter out there. MOTU up samples their DA, but having the external clock to solidify the source sample rate makes the upsampling even more solid, less smearing etc.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 16, 2018 16:23:20 GMT -6
I expect the it work with a satellite? It could be cool to have one of these and a satellite with a laptop, you could do a lot in a small space.
The bus power is cool in a way, but I'd probably just get a used Twin MkII if I needed portability.
I guess this is sort of a less expensive one small box solution for someone tracking one thing at a time who needs portability. I guess you could take just the Arrow and your laptop and a mic and be OK.
Guitfiddler, don't forget, if UAD sells a lot of these, that can fund the upgrades you're looking for :-)
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 16, 2018 17:39:50 GMT -6
It works with all ua stuff problem is you need tb3.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 16, 2018 19:07:39 GMT -6
Yes, and yes. I digress...lol
I got myself into this platform(like candy-a lot of UAD)and now I’m just waiting on UA. I might just get a Satellite Octocore, I’m tired of waiting to use my UA plugs. I just feel like something good is on the horizon, but it might be $5000. Weird time for conversion with technology getting ready to upgrade again. Hard to pass up the new promotion, but I know as soon as I make a move they will come out with something new. Still waiting...I’m thinking March right after the promotion of buy an 8p get an Octo thunderbolt satellite for free is over.
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Post by drsax on Jan 16, 2018 20:15:15 GMT -6
It’s always tough figuring out when to upgrade. I’ve got a couple high end Converters (Burl, Hilo) for main Recording Channels, monitoring, Master buss - and had previously been using Antelope Orion 32 for all my large count I/o and drum tracking. Decided to replace the Orion with the a couple MKii Apollo 16’s and sonically I’m very happy I did. The Orion as clean as it sounded, was a bit too harsh on top. And a bit soft on the bottom. The Apollo mkii is sounding real nice on Drums as ADDA for gear inserts. There’s always upgrades coming - but the current promotion drew me in for sure. The free Octo was too hard to pass on. All these Converters are plenty sufficient to make world class recordings. I remember my first few radio hits were done on a Digi 001. We’ve come a long way since then
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 16, 2018 23:00:49 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong, so, you can't print with plug-ins on the Arrow? I rarely print with plugs these days, but if you were traveling with an Arrow mini system and had a deadline, it might prove helpful.
I can see this in a hotel or guest bedroom with a pair of iLoud monitors, a laptop with a bunch of plug-ins, plus one great mic being quite cool, but then I still don't see why anyone wouldn't just buy a used Twin Mk II Duo instead.
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Post by roundbadge on Jan 17, 2018 1:15:24 GMT -6
saw the vk video demo. amazing they made a vintage 47 sound like absolute ass. geez that's pretty hard to do.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 17, 2018 1:48:26 GMT -6
Martin, the arrow runs in console just like other ua interfaces and so yes you can track or monitor with UA plugs but only up to the capacity of the one sharc dsp.
But technically you could build an entire mix: one track at a time and print ua plugs as you go.
The current promotion is excellent as you get possibly 2 $100 coupons one for the apollo and one for the Octo? Also, you’ll get the plug in registration deal for the Apollo so can save some serious coin!
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 17, 2018 3:58:28 GMT -6
The problem I had with the silver face Apollo was even while going in from Apogee AD16x digital into the Apollo and using the dbox it improved, but no where near as good as just the Apogee 16X system by itself. Easily on another level, more depth, just better all around. I really want to use this system for an upscale writing solution with a full room of instruments for location gigs, events, and practice spaces. In fact, I’m thinking about going with a specially designed case that holds the interface, laptop, and I-Loud monitors, Dbox and Satellite and cables. I need a total solution though and it seems this box just might be the one. Another issue I run into is I’ve outgrown the dbox sound. I picked up a Rupert Neve RNHP! Wow, does this thing sound great for headphone monitoring! I’m thinking even with the new Blackface it still probably can’t hold a candle to the RNHP, what I’m used to monitoring through. You know how it is, you base all your decisions on what you hear and I believe that either makes it or breaks it... Then one of my buddies says to me...just get a Midas M32...
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Post by Guitar on Jan 18, 2018 10:24:14 GMT -6
That that Vintage King demo was bogus. They made the shaker louder than the piano and bass, etc... kind of pissed me off.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 18, 2018 12:13:29 GMT -6
ah,, but I thought shaker was the new cowbell ?
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Post by Guitar on Jan 18, 2018 12:41:04 GMT -6
ah,, but I thought shaker was the new cowbell ? I don't remember where, but I think I saw some studio out there with "NO SHAKERS ALLOWED" sign or something like that. :-D
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