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Post by mulmany on Jan 5, 2018 17:55:41 GMT -6
Looking for suggestions for a really quiet guitar player. I mean really quiet. He is a good player, but plays to himself rather then to fill the room. We have talked about having him remember to practice his songs like he is trying to reach the back of the room. Unfortunately some of the intimacy is lost, so it feels like a compromise and not the best for the song.
I have used a few different mic setups, different combinations of SDC, LDC's. He is very dynamic, lite finger picking to thumping strumming.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 5, 2018 18:06:54 GMT -6
I've had this one, and have it again recently. So quiet it sounds more like a hammered dulcimer or similar. A SDC omni very close was the best result, with a LDC stereo pair back 3-4 feet for some projected/ambient sound. I had to wear headphones in the control room and make note of any external noises bleeding in; a helicopter I couldn't hear at all by ear shut us down for several minutes once. The omni had less bleed and nuisance pickup by far, yet the LDC's added something nice and were worth suffering through the edits needed to clean up the background. The close SDC took something over 60dB gain! Good luck!
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Post by rowmat on Jan 5, 2018 18:22:43 GMT -6
Looking for suggestions for a really quiet guitar player. I mean really quiet. He is a good player, but plays to himself rather then to fill the room. We have talked about having him remember to practice his songs like he is trying to reach the back of the room. Unfortunately some of the intimacy is lost, so it feels like a compromise and not the best for the song. I have used a few different mic setups, different combinations of SDC, LDC's. He is very dynamic, lite finger picking to thumping strumming. You could use two identical mics adjacent to each other with one set to a high gain for the quiet stuff with the other set to a lower gain for the louder stuff and then comp them in post. Or if you have a mic splitter to could feed one mic into two pre's and gain each differently. I've done a little experimentation with a close mic'd KM85 (high pass capsule) and a KM84 set further back and then adjusted the position of both mics in order to match their proximity effect as closely as possible. They are then time aligned in the DAW and mixed depending on the volume and dynamics of the performance. The KM85 can be placed very close due to its reduced bass response and can capture very quiet intimate stuff without getting muddy or boomy. As the playing volume becomes too loud for the close mic you crossfade to the KM84 set a bit farther back. It takes a bit of experimentation but can be made to work well with very dynamic playing. I've only tried this myself however and not with an actual client. |
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Post by mulmany on Jan 5, 2018 18:57:11 GMT -6
I've had this one, and have it again recently. So quiet it sounds more like a hammered dulcimer or similar. A SDC omni very close was the best result, with a LDC stereo pair back 3-4 feet for some projected/ambient sound. I had to wear headphones in the control room and make note of any external noises bleeding in; a helicopter I couldn't hear at all by ear shut us down for several minutes once. The omni had less bleed and nuisance pickup by far, yet the LDC's added something nice and were worth suffering through the edits needed to clean up the background. The close SDC took something over 60dB gain! Good luck! Thanks, I have pretty much maxed out my preamp gains to get usable levels for monitoring. My last record with the artist went well, but I had a lot of fixes at mix time. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 5, 2018 19:03:43 GMT -6
Looking for suggestions for a really quiet guitar player. I mean really quiet. He is a good player, but plays to himself rather then to fill the room. We have talked about having him remember to practice his songs like he is trying to reach the back of the room. Unfortunately some of the intimacy is lost, so it feels like a compromise and not the best for the song. I have used a few different mic setups, different combinations of SDC, LDC's. He is very dynamic, lite finger picking to thumping strumming. Wavearts Mr Noise saved me. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 5, 2018 19:47:35 GMT -6
I would use in my room one single SDC and a quiet mic pre something like the True Systems P Solo.
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Post by gouge on Jan 6, 2018 9:23:34 GMT -6
Run a feed to a pa or clean combo and mic that.
The purists will die.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 10:22:22 GMT -6
Earthworks SR20?
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Post by mulmany on Jan 6, 2018 15:07:21 GMT -6
I have stayed away from earthworks since their self noise was high. Have they gotten better? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 15:51:29 GMT -6
just looked it up - 22dBA ! damn.
Reason I thought of them is I tried my Hudson Dragonfly folk guitar with an ecm8000 and liked the tone better than the inbuilt b-band, the self noise was apparent ( I never use a pick) - thought the earthworks would be quieter but evidently not much.
probably gets expensive upwards from them ...
edit -found this, presumably compressed to buggery by youtube:
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Post by rowmat on Jan 6, 2018 17:32:49 GMT -6
I have stayed away from earthworks since their self noise was high. Have they gotten better? The smaller the diaphragm surface area the less acoustic energy is captured before amplification. It's just physics at work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 4:33:53 GMT -6
I have stayed away from earthworks since their self noise was high. Have they gotten better? The smaller the diaphragm surface area the less acoustic energy is captured before amplification. It's just physics at work. use a bit of subtractive eq on the self noise - only takes about 30 secs to set up |
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Post by jtc111 on Jan 7, 2018 14:25:30 GMT -6
Looking for suggestions for a really quiet guitar player. I mean really quiet. The Gefell M295 was made specifically for close mic-ing. That might be what you're looking for. |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 8, 2018 12:28:01 GMT -6
The smaller the diaphragm surface area the less acoustic energy is captured before amplification. It's just physics at work. use a bit of subtractive eq on the self noise - only takes about 30 secs to set up Is it fairly freq. specific? I always find myself throwing out too much baby with the bath water when I have to filter noise out. Restoration tools as well, although they can work better at times. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 16:39:44 GMT -6
use a bit of subtractive eq on the self noise - only takes about 30 secs to set up Is it fairly freq. specific? I always find myself throwing out too much baby with the bath water when I have to filter noise out. Restoration tools as well, although they can work better at times. Sorry, only just seen this. When I tried it I used Reafir (Reaper) it samples the noise you want to get rid of and then subtracts it. Seems to be both frequency and volume specific ( like a gate and eq?). Any tone higher in volume seems to remain. |
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Post by adamjbrass on Jan 17, 2018 18:59:29 GMT -6
i love the Gefell M295 as suggested, but also the M-300 and UMT70s are fav's of mine. If its really quiet, In my studio I use Gefell M221 pressure omni
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Post by svart on Jan 17, 2018 19:27:30 GMT -6
Heavier pick? Most of those light pickers use really light picks too..
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Post by mulmany on Jan 17, 2018 19:56:09 GMT -6
Heavier pick? Most of those light pickers use really light picks too.. He is fingers with picked strum. He developed a technique of seamlessly switching between the two by holding the pick in between his fingers. He rolls it in and out of position like a coin. I am just finishing up a project with him, if he allows I will post a sample. |
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Post by bluegrassdan on Jan 17, 2018 20:06:33 GMT -6
Tell him to be a man!
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Post by mulmany on Jan 17, 2018 20:13:48 GMT -6
I did have that conversation! I think the next project will be better. Just covering my bases. |
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