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Post by Guitar on Dec 31, 2017 19:25:42 GMT -6
I'd be a little sad about a warm 251 but maybe it's inevitable... maybe it would bring it more into a wider view.
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2017 19:50:51 GMT -6
If they could do a Fairchild I would wet my pants... I don’t think it’s betraying anything to say that Bryce once told me he could do it. It was a casual response to me being pumped about the idea and it was a couple years ago so, grain of salt. But what would the price be? To do it RIGHT, even by Warm standards, that's a LOT of transformers and tubes. Bryce might be able to do it for a good deal cheaper than a vintage unit, but it still wouldn't be cheap and I'm inclined to think that, whatever that price would be, it would still be too expensive to fit in WA's business model of smaller profit margins offset through increased number of sales. A 1,000 people might buy a WA-76 at $500 but are 1,000 people going to buy a Fairchild clone at $2,000, even if $2,000 is a great price for a clone? |
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Post by ragan on Dec 31, 2017 19:58:11 GMT -6
I don’t think it’s betraying anything to say that Bryce once told me he could do it. It was a casual response to me being pumped about the idea and it was a couple years ago so, grain of salt. But what would the price be? To do it RIGHT, even by Warm standards, that's a LOT of transformers and tubes. Bryce might be able to do it for a good deal cheaper than a vintage unit, but it still wouldn't be cheap and I'm inclined to think that, whatever that price would be, it would still be too expensive to fit in WA's business model of smaller profit margins offset through increased number of sales. A 1,000 people might buy a WA-76 at $500 but are 1,000 people going to buy a Fairchild clone at $2,000, even if $2,000 is a great price for a clone? Right. That's kinda my thinking too. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 31, 2017 21:19:41 GMT -6
The Soyuz 0-13 beat two KM-84's I had on loan by a landslide, really, and I love the KM84. Of course not everyone will have the same response as I did, but it really is in that class.
So, for Warm to do a KM84 type mic, it had better be relatively inexpensive, because the Soyuz is $600, and believe me, it has it's own mojo. I'd say, $299, maybe $349, or don't bother.
I have no inside info, but my guess is look for both an SDC and either an SSL style compressor or an A-D/D-A.
The tricky thing about converters would be to equal a Burl or Dangerous Music converter at under $900. Otherwise, I'd just stick to my Apollo, which is already pretty good. So, I'd guess the SSL compressor is more likely.
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Post by Quint on Dec 31, 2017 22:26:25 GMT -6
I don't see Warm ever going into the converter scene. I definitely don't ever see them going into the interface scene. There are already a ton of companies making quality "95% of the way there" interfaces on the interface scene that are affordable.
As for the dedicated converter scene, it's all about the Nth degree. I get that there is a market for "95% of the way there" on analog equipment. Conversion, not so much. Everything is already 95% of the way there. There is no market for a 95% Burl at Warm prices. I don't think it exists. We already have that in spades in any number of affordable interfaces.
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Post by svart on Dec 31, 2017 23:33:43 GMT -6
They can buy my converter design..
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Post by M57 on Jan 1, 2018 5:25:52 GMT -6
The Soyuz 0-13 beat two KM-84's I had on loan by a landslide, really, and I love the KM84. Of course not everyone will have the same response as I did, but it really is in that class. So, for Warm to do a KM84 type mic, it had better be relatively inexpensive, because the Soyuz is $600, and believe me, it has it's own mojo. I'd say, $299, maybe $349, or don't bother. Point taken about what the 'competition' may be, but Warm's marketing schtick is all about replication of the classics. That's the real 'competition.' If you ask people what they'd rather have, a pair 0-13s or 84s, most of them would immediately pick the 84s ..and then ask you what a 0-13 is. It doesn't matter if the 0-13 is as good ..or even better - The 84 is the grail. Sticking to my guns ..$499 is the magic price point. |
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Post by nick8801 on Jan 1, 2018 7:38:52 GMT -6
I don't see Warm ever going into the converter scene. I definitely don't ever see them going into the interface scene. There are already a ton of companies making quality "95% of the way there" interfaces on the interface scene that are affordable. As for the dedicated converter scene, it's all about the Nth degree. I get that there is a market for "95% of the way there" on analog equipment. Conversion, not so much. Everything is already 95% of the way there. There is no market for a 95% Burl at Warm prices. I don't think it exists. We already have that in spades in any number of affordable interfaces. I think the dedicated converter scene is a perfect in for them. There are lots of people out there who would love to track or mix into a Burl that can’t afford that price point. And there really is nothing out there similar to that design at an affordable price. What does warm already make...discrete gear with custom transformers. How difficult would it be to order a bulk amount of akm chips and engineer them into a circuit around some custom cinemag transformers? I’ll quote myself in this thread when it comes out:) |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 1, 2018 8:18:17 GMT -6
I don't see Warm ever going into the converter scene. I definitely don't ever see them going into the interface scene. There are already a ton of companies making quality "95% of the way there" interfaces on the interface scene that are affordable. As for the dedicated converter scene, it's all about the Nth degree. I get that there is a market for "95% of the way there" on analog equipment. Conversion, not so much. Everything is already 95% of the way there. There is no market for a 95% Burl at Warm prices. I don't think it exists. We already have that in spades in any number of affordable interfaces. +1. I don't see a converter coming at all. Market is way too small. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 1, 2018 8:59:34 GMT -6
I don't disagree with M57, the 84 is a logical next step for Warm. My point was, at a price like $499 it had better be indistinguishable from a real 84. I say that because there are a dozen good sounding 84 style mics around already at lower prices.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 1, 2018 9:55:07 GMT -6
I don't disagree with M57, the 84 is a logical next step for Warm. My point was, at a price like $499 it had better be indistinguishable from a real 84. I say that because there are a dozen good sounding 84 style mics around already at lower prices. Most users don't know what sounds right or wrong. Warm will them it sounds indistinguishable, so people will buy. Enough people will spend their hard earned dollars on the units that they'll have positive opinions even if they don't really sound great or even close to the original. Inexperience and confirmation bias keeps the hype train fueled. I'm not slagging on Warm here either. It's the same story with just about everything. Mics, to hardware, to plugins, to cables. Look up pretty much any brand or product on GS. You'll find probably 90% positive reviews for everything. People don't want to admit they spent their money on a junker. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 1, 2018 10:21:57 GMT -6
The makes sense Jesse.
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Post by ericn on Jan 1, 2018 11:55:32 GMT -6
I don't disagree with M57, the 84 is a logical next step for Warm. My point was, at a price like $499 it had better be indistinguishable from a real 84. I say that because there are a dozen good sounding 84 style mics around already at lower prices. Most users don't know what sounds right or wrong. Warm will them it sounds indistinguishable, so people will buy. Enough people will spend their hard earned dollars on the units that they'll have positive opinions even if they don't really sound great or even close to the original. Inexperience and confirmation bias keeps the hype train fueled. I'm not slagging on Warm here either. It's the same story with just about everything. Mics, to hardware, to plugins, to cables. Look up pretty much any brand or product on GS. You'll find probably 90% positive reviews for everything. People don't want to admit they spent their money on a junker. The other part of this is most have never used anything else! |
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