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Post by stormymondays on Dec 3, 2017 6:19:28 GMT -6
Who's got one? Favorite uses? I just ordered one after watching a ton of demos. Can't wait to use it on drums, guitars, piano and vocals!
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Post by drbill on Dec 3, 2017 9:50:45 GMT -6
I've had one for oh...probably close to 10 years. You'll either love it or hate it. Sounds like you'll love it. I've used it a handful of times in the decade I've owned it. Mostly on vocals as a secondary mic. I have never really been floored by it. It never really got me where I was looking to go. YMMV. Enjoy and report back. <thumbsup>
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Post by mhbunch on Dec 3, 2017 13:29:42 GMT -6
There’s 2 of em at a studio I work out of. I’ve put them up occasionally but only have got them to work one time on a spoken word/rap vocal on the bridge of a song. And that was with heavy EQ.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 3, 2017 13:34:38 GMT -6
This video really sold it for me:
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Post by Coil Audio on Dec 3, 2017 13:52:43 GMT -6
Beats the hell out of any plugin for creating 'that sound' - Its somewhat of a one trick pony but does that trick VERY WELL. cool trick - I sometimes lay one on the ground under the snare pointed at the beater - blend to taste
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Post by drbill on Dec 3, 2017 14:18:25 GMT -6
This video really sold it for me: I have to laugh about the guy constantly commenting and comparing the waveforms. The reason they don't look the same is because the diaphragm of the copperphone mic is significantly further away - and back inside a freakin tube. If he slid the file, they would look closer. BUT.... all that said....the clips easily show the problem I have with it. I totally dig an element that's bandpassed - sometimes. But my problem with the mic is that it's band passed signal is SIGNIFICANTLY focused towards the upper mids. I'd hazard to guess that 3k is 10+dB louder than 200Hz. That 3k-ish accentuation of the bandpassed signal KILLS it for me. Cymbals on the drum set get so pushed. Hi hat gets pushed. Vocals go uncontrollably sibilant. Those are normally the things I'm trying to keep under control - not accentuate. The ac gtr clip was interesting to me. The guitar must be super mellow with older strings if he used a 451 and it sounded that mellow to begin with. Adding the copperphone was actually really nice. But my experience gives me a much more guarded love for the mic. If they would voice one where it was essentially flat across the bandpass bandwidth without hugely accentuating that 2.5-3.5k region, I'd love it. But that upper-mid push just hits me the wrong way so much of the time. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 3, 2017 14:38:04 GMT -6
my problem with the mic is that it's band passed signal is SIGNIFICANTLY focused towards the upper mids. I'd hazard to guess that 3k is 10+dB louder than 200Hz. That 3k-ish accentuation of the bandpassed signal KILLS it for me. Cymbals on the drum set get so pushed. Hi hat gets pushed. Vocals go uncontrollably sibilant. Those are normally the things I'm trying to keep under control - not accentuate. Interesting. So it's vastly more accentuated than the thing it's mimicking; telephone sound and early American condensers. I have an American condenser from 1932, it's flat under 100 and the resonant boost is up around 5K. "More vintage than it ever was"? |
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Post by drbill on Dec 3, 2017 15:10:36 GMT -6
I'd say it's mimiciing an old school 60's telephone. Totally focused towards that 2-3k "intelligibility" frequency range. Telephones didn't care about 200Hz.....
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Post by c0rtland on Dec 3, 2017 15:53:00 GMT -6
It's whatever. Maybe I'll try it on a bass amp. More vintage than vintage is a good description. It's a bit over the top even blended in.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 12, 2017 7:55:16 GMT -6
I just got mine and run a few quick tests. I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with drbill. It sounds fun on drums, and the whack of the snare sounds like it could be useful in a mix. But man, is it PEAKY!!! It does take EQ suprisingly well, so bringing down 2k is well worth it. I will find some uses for it, for sure, but it's going to take more work than I anticipated. I'm now intrigued - are there any other "trash" mics that are flat and bandpassed? |
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Post by c0rtland on Dec 12, 2017 9:05:08 GMT -6
In latest MWTM Massey ran it through guitar pedals I thought that was a fun idea. I'm sure the right combo would be great. A lot of work though for a trash mic. May as well run any hi-z quarter inch mic into some pedals and save some dough.
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Post by ericn on Dec 12, 2017 9:06:13 GMT -6
I just got mine and run a few quick tests. I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with drbill. It sounds fun on drums, and the whack of the snare sounds like it could be useful in a mix. But man, is it PEAKY!!! It does take EQ suprisingly well, so bringing down 2k is well worth it. I will find some uses for it, for sure, but it's going to take more work than I anticipated. I'm now intrigued - are there any other "trash" mics that are flat and bandpassed? [ Take your favorite flat mic, add Brad's Louder Than Liftoff ChopShop dial in to taste ! More versatile than any one trick pony mic! |
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Post by drbill on Dec 12, 2017 9:57:51 GMT -6
I just got mine and run a few quick tests. I have to say that I agree wholeheartedly with drbill . It sounds fun on drums, and the whack of the snare sounds like it could be useful in a mix. But man, is it PEAKY!!! It does take EQ suprisingly well, so bringing down 2k is well worth it. I will find some uses for it, for sure, but it's going to take more work than I anticipated. I'm now intrigued - are there any other "trash" mics that are flat and bandpassed? [ Take your favorite flat mic, add Brad's Louder Than Liftoff ChopShop dial in to taste ! More versatile than any one trick pony mic! Extra points for following or preceding it with a Chroma to roughen up the edges. But yeah, the Chop Shop will do that bandwidth limited thing well. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 12, 2017 13:45:12 GMT -6
You can usually get a box of a dozen CB mics for $5 at every hamfest.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 21, 2018 5:50:00 GMT -6
all that said....the clips easily show the problem I have with it. I totally dig an element that's bandpassed - sometimes. But my problem with the mic is that it's band passed signal is SIGNIFICANTLY focused towards the upper mids. I'd hazard to guess that 3k is 10+dB louder than 200Hz. That 3k-ish accentuation of the bandpassed signal KILLS it for me. Cymbals on the drum set get so pushed. Hi hat gets pushed. Vocals go uncontrollably sibilant. Those are normally the things I'm trying to keep under control - not accentuate. The ac gtr clip was interesting to me. The guitar must be super mellow with older strings if he used a 451 and it sounded that mellow to begin with. Adding the copperphone was actually really nice. But my experience gives me a much more guarded love for the mic. If they would voice one where it was essentially flat across the bandpass bandwidth without hugely accentuating that 2.5-3.5k region, I'd love it. But that upper-mid push just hits me the wrong way so much of the time. After living with the Copperphone for some time, I echo drbill's sentiment word by word. The mic looks cool, it seems like it should do a lovely thing, but it absolutely needs heavy EQ to tame it. I wonder if I could come up with an EQ curve that flattens it to my liking, and use that as a standard. I also need to try the Sonnox Dynamic EQ on it. However, if it needs EQ to work, I could also EQ another mic to do the same thing... |
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Post by Ward on Aug 21, 2018 6:13:19 GMT -6
Telephones didn't care about 200Hz..... They never did... they never will . . . |
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Post by ericn on Aug 21, 2018 7:10:16 GMT -6
Telephones didn't care about 200Hz..... They never did... they never will . . . Wait till Samsung hangs the JBL name on a new Cell model and Apple counters with the IPhone 11 Beats edition! You will hear 200-250HZ but everything else will be 9dB down but you will hear 200-250 just like that 80’s Olds Delta 88 that just drove down the street with woofers the size its spinners. |
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Post by timcampbell on Aug 21, 2018 10:11:10 GMT -6
Well I think the video is misleading when he claims this can't be done with filtering. It's just that normally you wouldn't be using so broadband
filters as the mic imbues. I don't hear anything here that couldn't be created easily. Brings back my days of using the SSL talkback mic to record squashed, ambient drums.
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Post by ericn on Aug 21, 2018 10:21:29 GMT -6
Well I think the video is misleading when he claims this can't be done with filtering. It's just that normally you wouldn't be using so broadband filters as the mic imbues. I don't hear anything here that couldn't be created easily. Brings back my days of using the SSL talkback mic to record squashed, ambient drums. It’s very much a one trick pony, but you know they will do okay with that retro hipster look and lo fi hipster sound. I’ll bet the guy who was using the speakerphone on his iPhone at my local Starbucks this weekend that everybody wanted to bitch slap bought. One and loves it. |
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 21, 2018 14:56:55 GMT -6
I've ordered one of these: mothsound.infoThey are local to me (Spain) and the Standard model seems to do what I was hoping the Copperphone to do. I'll report when I get the mic! |
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Post by Tbone81 on Aug 21, 2018 16:17:33 GMT -6
I got one a while back. It’s pretty cool when you combine it with a normal mic, and blend it back in parallel. Build quality isn’t great though. The mic clip has broken one twice now, literally just breaks under its own weight (and it’s fairly light). Also the screws that hold the body together frequently need to be tightened. Still a good purchase though. It’s pretty cheap and does a distortion that you can’t get from a plug-in |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 21, 2018 16:23:31 GMT -6
I agree with Tim. I'd just EQ the hell out of an SDC and I bet I'd get there without buying a new mic. It looks cool though ;-)
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Post by theshea on Aug 22, 2018 5:02:28 GMT -6
i simply use my beyer m55 and some plugins or guitar pedal/amps for this kinda effects. it's a trashy old omni dynamic mic that cost me close to nothing. it has super weak bass and the highs cut early. when used as "wurst" mic for drums i put it above the kick between floor tom and snare: gives me a retro cardbox sound. goo.gl/images/xp6yud |
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