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Post by rowmat on Nov 25, 2017 16:43:23 GMT -6
What I miss and what made me come to rgo was the days when an inexperienced up-and-coming engineer could ask some technical questions about a piece of gear and get a response from you some pretty respected and very knowledgeable folks. Every once and awhile some drama would flare up regarding someones knowledge, experience, and opinion of a product or a place or fellow engineer and it was funny. But it seems nowadays that's all it is with various weekend warrior home studio owners asking the obligatory: 'which should I get xxx or xxx for my untreated room in my basement?' So what should I buy for my untreated basement so i can have a professional sound. I am realy good I have practiced like 10 minutes last thursday and my mum says I am a rock star. The sound I am looking for is like guitar hero's track 2044 which i got a high score on. I would like to use the guitar hero guitar as my other guitar has only 3 strings left and it hurts my fingers. I don't need mixing advice as I am sure I will be the worlds best mixer. I once mixed 3 songs on my iphone I just need a better free app. My budget is $3.95 as I have to buy a new shirt and hat so I can look the part. Used egg cartons and regurgitated cat hairballs work wonders. Just make sure you place the hairballs at the 1/4 wavelength position for best performance.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 25, 2017 19:13:26 GMT -6
But that Chandler Redd Mic thread on GS is exactly why I started RGO. Hey - it’s hard to moderate...and I just think there are soooo many voices over there it’s nearly impossible. But jeesh. Have you seen it recently? PG and SS have been banging heads and it's reached a kinda creepy phase IMO. It comes across to me that if you don't embrace a certain company's product (not referring to the Redd mic itself here) or dare to speak of it negatively that you could find yourself almost stalked by the CEO until you admit the error of your ways and capitulate. Bizarre. What do you mean the ceo? Those guys are just users right?
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Post by rowmat on Nov 25, 2017 19:19:30 GMT -6
Have you seen it recently? PG and SS have been banging heads and it's reached a kinda creepy phase IMO. It comes across to me that if you don't embrace a certain company's product (not referring to the Redd mic itself here) or dare to speak of it negatively that you could find yourself almost stalked by the CEO until you admit the error of your ways and capitulate. Bizarre. What do you mean the ceo? Those guys are just users right? Halfway down page 34.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 25, 2017 21:03:34 GMT -6
Most people of today don't get that it takes time and tons of patience to get better at a thing. Patience is a big problem in the digital age. There is no Magic-App to reach the goal, no shortcut.
If I tell guitar students that's it's a life long learning process. A journey. That only practicing makes them strong, and even with thousands of hours practicing great talents can have a bad day.
If I tell them that it's normal for all musicians to have weak points. They don't believe it.
Today it's a mixture of wrong leading perfectionist illness, and it must happen right now.
How many times I have seen parent's giving thier children's the feeling that they need to be perfect just from the moment they left the vaginal canal.Crazy.
My point is. In such a high expectations environment kids have a hard time to develop thier talent's.
If you are under psychological pressure it's easy to believe that the gear is the weak link and not the skills.You don't have to blame yourself. I knew that effect from guitar students who buy new gear every month. But they don't practice...they substitute thier lazy part with new guitars.
I went into that trap too when I decided to learn AE skils, special when you are on Gear Slutz you are in daneger. It's like gasoline into the fire. I am so happy that Tony Shepherd wrote me a PM and insisted that it's no longer a question of the gear.
Anyway RGO is the place where I can develop my AE skills as a musician who also likes AE.
My first love will always be the guitar. And I may will never be a great AE. But it's fun to do it anyway...
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2017 22:41:10 GMT -6
What do you mean the ceo? Those guys are just users right? Halfway down page 34. Never bring a plugin to a mic fight😁
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 25, 2017 23:28:38 GMT -6
Wow. What a mess. Lots to dislike about that entire conversation.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2017 10:58:26 GMT -6
Wow. What a mess. Lots to dislike about that entire conversation. Going to head down to the local specialty hardwood place and see if I can start a fight like this about hammers😎
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Post by spindrift on Nov 26, 2017 15:54:25 GMT -6
Make sure you personally and publicly insult one of the manufacturers for extra excitiement!
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Post by Guitar on Nov 26, 2017 16:41:42 GMT -6
Typical Narcissistic Personality Disorder if you ask me... good riddance.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 26, 2017 17:19:09 GMT -6
I never go to GS anymore, I've checked in once or twice a year when asked. It's a zoo. There's always someone with a bug up their ass. It makes no sense why they act like a dog who won't let go of a bone, but they keep growling and hanging on.
I've had to pushback a few posters here once in a while, but the crowd here is so cool, they always step in to politely correct situations. I think that's because we value the space here so much. I can learn from guys much more experienced than me, and I can help people much less experienced than I am at the same time.
I think I posted one thing at that thread when asked to. One guy was adamantly saying the Chander mic sounded one way, degrading it, I insisted it didn't. He bought one, and then said it didn't sound that way. Draw your own conclusions. It's kinda like saying a beautiful girl's ugly because she didn't want to dance with you.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 26, 2017 17:24:10 GMT -6
Typical Narcissistic Personality Disorder if you ask me... good riddance. I think thats just one part of GS. The other part is self marketing. And the last thing was one reason why I am here. If any company chmies in and tells you: JESUS our tools are the best you can buy. Waht else should they write... GEZZZ we build BS everyday?? It became a prosumer market and everyone wants a part of the cake. The problem is the topic is no longer AE aka what to do with the tools. Its like kids saying - I win the piss race. Its a over saturated market and I can feel that it will collapse soon. Too many market contributers. If older AE, like our old friend Bob O, read such discussions. They must think people lost thier minds.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 26, 2017 17:28:14 GMT -6
GS: I get some good info out of the location recording sub-forum, only place I find talk about various stereo/ambisonic/surround techniques (diffuse field: ya know, what KM184's are actually for) and equipment other than taperssection.com.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 26, 2017 17:59:47 GMT -6
Typical Narcissistic Personality Disorder if you ask me... good riddance. I think thats just one part of GS. The other part is self marketing. And the last thing was one reason why I am here. If any company chmies in and tells you: JESUS our tools are the best you can buy. Waht else should they write... GEZZZ we build BS everyday?? It became a prosumer market and everyone wants a part of the cake. The problem is the topic is no longer AE aka what to do with the tools. Its like kids saying - I win the piss race. Its a over saturated market and I can feel that it will collapse soon. Too many market contributers. If older AE, like our old friend Bob O, read such discussions. They must think people lost thier minds. Nice post. And I generally agree, but I was speaking about "Page 18" hahaha. Sorry to say.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 26, 2017 18:24:45 GMT -6
I took a look, and Steven Slate's busy defending the VMS in a REDD thread. I suppose it's related, because the VMS emulates classic mics, and the Chandler is a new mic that can run with the big boys. It's obviously tedious for a guy like that though. I commend any company director for participating online, but at a certain point, it's like sticking your finger in a dam that's gonna burst sooner or later anyway.
This all points to one flaw in conversations and disagreements in website environments, you rarely know who exactly it is that's saying something. I remember years ago someone who sells himself as an expert audiologist and studio sound treatment guru, posted some incredibly arrogant remarks regarding some posts of mine. I tried to make a reasonable statement regarding my experience, but he knew it all, and was determined to prove I was foolishly fooling myself.
Then I met the guy at AES five years ago, and laughed to myself. I had gotten all out of joint over some shmuck. One look, and a brief conversation, where I was cordial and spoke without agenda, and it was perfectly clear I wouldn't give that guy''s opinion a second thought. He was a just a clueless jerk.
The jerk to cool cat ratio's just too high over here.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 26, 2017 18:27:50 GMT -6
Martin, I saw somebody posted your track on that thread as well.
And I'm really wondering if you're speaking of the same 'clueless guru' that I am thinking of. Someone similar to that tried to come to RGO and got shouted out of town. It was a shit-show troll thread but what you say rings true.
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Post by drbill on Nov 26, 2017 18:33:36 GMT -6
If you head out and crawl into cesspools, expect to smell some $#!^. There are sub-forums over there that are well moderated and completely calm. Calmer than here even. Go figure. I mostly hang out in the music-for-picture forum. Well moderated, and VERY little BS thrown out or tolerated. There's nothing even remotely similar here or elsewhere that I've been able to find. For me, it's a valuable (sub)forum.
The "high end" forum has degraded the last 5 years as anyone who's bought a mic over $5k, or a set of high end conversion now sees their "studio" as high end. The entry for "high end" 15 years ago was close to a million, so the "perception" of what "high end" actually is has blurred, and there are guys trying to hold the line to traditional high end values going up against guys who feel anything more than a total studio investment of $20k is "high end". IMO, it's a good forum, but needs more serious moderation. Or at least the definition needs to be redefined, and reset.
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Post by spindrift on Nov 26, 2017 18:40:25 GMT -6
GS: I get some good info out of the location recording sub-forum, only place I find talk about various stereo/ambisonic/surround techniques (diffuse field: ya know, what KM184's are actually for) and equipment other than taperssection.com. OT - ... but this RE: 184s. ^^^^^^^^^^. Yes, diffuse! I've made some wonderful symphonic recordings with a pair in ORTF. Fantastic balance! I keep the KM84s for acoustic close up stiff.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2017 18:58:22 GMT -6
Typical Narcissistic Personality Disorder if you ask me... good riddance. I think thats just one part of GS. The other part is self marketing. And the last thing was one reason why I am here. If any company chmies in and tells you: JESUS our tools are the best you can buy. Waht else should they write... GEZZZ we build BS everyday?? It became a prosumer market and everyone wants a part of the cake. The problem is the topic is no longer AE aka what to do with the tools. Its like kids saying - I win the piss race. Its a over saturated market and I can feel that it will collapse soon. Too many market contributers. If older AE, like our old friend Bob O, read such discussions. They must think people lost thier minds. As a gear pimp, I often got in trouble for saying outright that some of the stuff we carried was crap, but it saved me from the BS of returns and gained the respect of my customers.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 27, 2017 9:13:44 GMT -6
I just took one more look at the thread John mentioned after posting a comment the other day. What followed was more childish oneupmanship. I'm outta there. maybe I'll look again in about a year, ugh.
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Post by svart on Nov 27, 2017 9:27:10 GMT -6
But that Chandler Redd Mic thread on GS is exactly why I started RGO. Hey - it’s hard to moderate...and I just think there are soooo many voices over there it’s nearly impossible. But jeesh. Have you seen it recently? PG and SS have been banging heads and it's reached a kinda creepy phase IMO. It comes across to me that if you don't embrace a certain company's product (not referring to the Redd mic itself here) or dare to speak of it negatively that you could find yourself almost stalked by the CEO until you admit the error of your ways and capitulate. Bizarre. Reminds me of some folks that we had here for a while too.. But you have two kinds in these arguments. Of course you have the company's paid shills, and you have the fanboys who are just unpaid shills. For the fanboys it seems it's more of an ego thing, kinda like Apple products. They don't do anything any better than the next company, but man if you even suggest that they aren't perfection incarnate to an Apple Fanboi, they get all bent out of shape.
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Post by svart on Nov 27, 2017 9:51:25 GMT -6
Make sure you personally and publicly insult one of the manufacturers for extra excitiement! The problem is three-fold when manufacturers get involved like this. They're buying ad space on a site, and the site needs the manufacturers to continue paying, but they won't keep buying ad space if the rabble rejects the product, so the mods end up defending the manufacturer to keep the money flowing in and become de-facto defenders of that product. Secondly, you have the manufacturer butting into the conversation in defense of their product, which only ends up with the Streisand Effect in full force. Thirdly, people start feeling disenfranchised and either leave, or stop being involved in conversations. And you end up with a marketing website using members as revenue sources(clicks, etc) rather than a forum for information.
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Post by ericn on Nov 27, 2017 9:52:26 GMT -6
Have you seen it recently? PG and SS have been banging heads and it's reached a kinda creepy phase IMO. It comes across to me that if you don't embrace a certain company's product (not referring to the Redd mic itself here) or dare to speak of it negatively that you could find yourself almost stalked by the CEO until you admit the error of your ways and capitulate. Bizarre. Reminds me of some folks that we had here for a while too.. But you have two kinds in these arguments. Of course you have the company's paid shills, and you have the fanboys who are just unpaid shills. For the fanboys it seems it's more of an ego thing, kinda like Apple products. They don't do anything any better than the next company, but man if you even suggest that they aren't perfection incarnate to an Apple Fanboi, they get all bent out of shape. Awe man, and here I thought Apple was better because they have all those geniuses working retail!
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Post by Ward on Nov 27, 2017 11:34:01 GMT -6
Have you seen it recently? PG and SS have been banging heads and it's reached a kinda creepy phase IMO. It comes across to me that if you don't embrace a certain company's product (not referring to the Redd mic itself here) or dare to speak of it negatively that you could find yourself almost stalked by the CEO until you admit the error of your ways and capitulate. Bizarre. What do you mean the ceo? Those guys are just users right? I thought Johnkenn was our CEO and President. Aren't you the Trump of RGO?
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Post by svart on Nov 27, 2017 12:54:41 GMT -6
What do you mean the ceo? Those guys are just users right? I thought Johnkenn was our CEO and President. Aren't you the Trump of RGO? Nah, Johnny is the Pope of this place.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 27, 2017 13:58:42 GMT -6
Heavenly Father
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