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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 9:40:25 GMT -6
Can UAD channel strips - namely vision and 88rs and the 550a 560 emulations - hang with hardware, specifically on guitars and snare?
This would be in a hybrid mix context in combination with hardware bus compression and compressors on key things like vocal and parallel snare and hardware used liberally during tracking.
The demos I've heard sounded nicer and more sculpting from the inside out than I expected (rather liked the gates too), but I don't own a satellite.
I would think a non-inductor design would be easier to capture with out that sparkle, and ringing for that matter of inductor hardware.
Just asking because I've been using up my hardware neve style inductor eqs and DAC outputs and sometimes I want a different flavor anyway for guitars and snare.
I don't want to get bogged down printing and lose the bigger picture, so a good no fuss channel strip makes sense. I can't deal with do everything eq and gate plugins anymore.
Just wondering if it would be smarter to invest in UAD than get one or 2 outboard eqs that I have to shuffle around a lot.
Seems like all the pros are doing this anyway but they have a lot more turnaround so compromise for efficiency is inevitable.
Anyway, just thinking out loud, thanks!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 15:17:58 GMT -6
Why not llsten to the jacquire comparison on the ua site, I'll tell you most voters, I know got it wrong  |
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 15:30:52 GMT -6
Why not llsten to the jacquire comparison on the ua site, I'll tell you most voters, I know got it wrong Yeah already did. Wouldn’t be tracking unison and fully itb though. This would be hybrid. The comparisons i heard of api 550 collection sounded real good, as did not a comparison dsp murdering SSL strip, sounds very accurate. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 15:35:09 GMT -6
No apollo ?
Why not grab a used twin so you have 2 unison pres or I think I know someone about to sell an apollo quad bf ?
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 15:36:06 GMT -6
No apollo ? Why not grab a used twin so you have 2 unison pres or I think I know someone about to sell an apollo quad bf ? Not enough DSP. I dont need preamps just miximg tools. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 15:40:46 GMT -6
Ok but you don’t get the full effect of the channel strips without unison and it only works on apollo pres?
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 15:45:57 GMT -6
Ok but you don’t get the full effect of the channel strips without unison and it only works on apollo pres? I know that part but cant you stil ride input. The channel strips have nice gate, comp, better eq than older versions. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 16:59:55 GMT -6
just wanted to make sure you are not getting the full unison monty !
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 17:01:54 GMT -6
just curious if you want this have you thought about softube console 1 ?
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 18:28:07 GMT -6
just curious if you want this have you thought about softube console 1 ? Thank you, I did consider that but don’t want another screen and prefer straight hardware-like interface. Main thing is the unison era/ mk2 UAD plus seem like a serious step up sonically but require a lot of DSP, at least octo really for reasonable mix Have you tried api vision, 550/560, 88rs II or the new ssl and gcomp? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 19:03:15 GMT -6
Had them all except last 2 although I demode them. I have kind of gone anti plug over the last while,just sold my Octo and 70 ua plugs.
I didn’t appreciate how it was undermining the used market and not letting us sell individual plugs so I stopped using them like six months ago and stopped buying them.
I have a soundcraft delta now and some ob stuff and I also have console 1 and it’s 3 strips so not missing the ua stuff and enjoying reinvesting the dough, just got a Symphony MkII 16x16 and Kush Electra rack eq.
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 20:19:27 GMT -6
Had them all except last 2 although I demode them. I have kind of gone anti plug over the last while,just sold my Octo and 70 ua plugs. I didn’t appreciate how it was undermining the used market and not letting us sell individual plugs so I stopped using them like six months ago and stopped buying them. I have a soundcraft delta now and some ob stuff and I also have console 1 and it’s 3 strips so not missing the ua stuff and enjoying reinvesting the dough, just got a Symphony MkII 16x16 and Kush Electra rack eq. Yeah maybe would be stupid for me to start investing in new platform when I have a good amount of hardware and do small scale tracking. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 9, 2017 20:30:25 GMT -6
Well I am not saying that or that ua plugs are bad but personally I found I was using about 5-10
Also I think my mixes with softube were as good or better but I had switched interfaces and some other stuff
I think your idea of a hybrid system is good and that is what I have but dive into ua with your eyes open
Pick a number , how much would be too much for you to be happy using uA, whatever that number can you buy what you want for less than that ? If so, good, if not, what would you change ?
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Post by joseph on Nov 9, 2017 21:57:26 GMT -6
I would just get a few plugs to help quick mix set up.
If I did the same with hardware I'd get a couple more channel eqs to start with.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 11, 2017 17:34:43 GMT -6
Well, I have some UAD plugins and a few of them are my desert island basic EQ comp reverb kind of stuff. I say why not go for it.
I use very little gear these days, becoming a bit of a mixing minimalist, but there are always UAD plugins on my mixes any given day.
I've been really into the channel strips lately, SSL and Neve. I don't own the API stuff yet. I also think the UAD compressors and tape sims are top of the heap.
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Post by joseph on Nov 11, 2017 20:35:43 GMT -6
Well, I have some UAD plugins and a few of them are my desert island basic EQ comp reverb kind of stuff. I say why not go for it. I use very little gear these days, becoming a bit of a mixing minimalist, but there are always UAD plugins on my mixes any given day. I've been really into the channel strips lately, SSL and Neve. I don't own the API stuff yet. I also think the UAD compressors and tape sims are top of the heap. Thanks for your input! I assume you're speaking of the MKII stuff, right? The appeal to me of the channel strips is that I think I mainly need to tighten things up here or there, not reinvent the wheel. |
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Post by donr on Nov 11, 2017 23:23:55 GMT -6
Kcat, surprised you dumped your UA stuff. You were a longtime booster. Is that because you couldn't sell individual plugs? I can see the logic on UA's part. Letting the used market set the value of individual UAD plugs would destroy UA's ability to set the retail value of new sales on their catalog of plugs.
The hardware AE guys have been right in the sense of "hard currency." Software is ephemeral in value.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 12, 2017 8:23:54 GMT -6
Well, I have some UAD plugins and a few of them are my desert island basic EQ comp reverb kind of stuff. I say why not go for it. I use very little gear these days, becoming a bit of a mixing minimalist, but there are always UAD plugins on my mixes any given day. I've been really into the channel strips lately, SSL and Neve. I don't own the API stuff yet. I also think the UAD compressors and tape sims are top of the heap. Thanks for your input! I assume you're speaking of the MKII stuff, right? The appeal to me of the channel strips is that I think I mainly need to tighten things up here or there, not reinvent the wheel. Yes, exactly. With the MK II strips, they went, in my opinion, from 'one of the good ones,' to 'better than the other ones.' The compressors as well. They just sound great. It's like you said, just good old fashioned little tweaks and mixing. I like the channel strips for broad strokes. If I need to get surgical or corrective I'll probably just load a Cubase EQ. Once in a while I like to pretend I'm mixing on an SSL console and use them on every channel. There is a sound imprint, in the end. I haven't done the same with the 1073 but I'm sure something like that would happen, too. You mentioned guitars and snare in your OP. That's my main use for these plugins, more rock sounding stuff, the basic tracks. Stuff where you want some 'color.' |
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