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Post by gevermil on Oct 4, 2017 7:24:00 GMT -6
There has been much ballyhoo about original input transformers for the 1176 ( I have a few )
But i'd rather buy something then build at this point.
For simplicity I've been going 500 series lunchbox .
Will building something with original transformers be a more desirable route than say a splice audio unit? Any thoughts would be appreciated
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Post by drbill on Oct 4, 2017 10:08:35 GMT -6
I suppose that depends on your build. All I can say is that I'm 110% happy with my Splices since the day I bought em. Mike @ Serpent is the kind of guy that will not rest until everything is perfect. And the splices feel that way to me.
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Post by notneeson on Oct 4, 2017 11:21:47 GMT -6
If you are after the exact sound of say, a Revision F 1176, I think you have to shell out for the real thing.
If you just want a great compressor there seem to be tons of 1176 flavors now. People say the "sound is in the transformers" but that's an overstatement.
I use a real Rev. F at one place I track and I would not pay 7K (or whatever) for it, although I do like it a lot. I also like the silverface (IC) 1176s at my other main tracking room, they have a cool sound too that's very much in the family.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 4, 2017 11:41:55 GMT -6
People say the "sound is in the transformers" but that's an overstatement. Yeah, this gets confused. When I frequently say "sound is in the transformers" the context is high ratio transformers used in vintage audio circuits. High ratio transformers have a sound. An 1176 uses 1:1 transformer ratios, which don't tend to have much difference in apple to apple comparisons. They are the simplest type to wind, without a lot of wire turns or complications in the way they are made. Other parts differences can indeed make bigger impressions. Now, if you compare a UTC A-20 to a WE 111-C to a Jensen 1:1, you will hear differences, but that's also not what we are talking about in regards to an 1176, it's original UTC transformer, and something like Ed's recreation, or anyone else's version that might fit in a 500 series format. But, if you have the transformers, consider if you can sub them into a 500 module permanently and compare if you can. |
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Post by notneeson on Oct 4, 2017 11:51:06 GMT -6
People say the "sound is in the transformers" but that's an overstatement. Yeah, this gets confused. When I frequently say "sound is in the transformers" the context is high ratio transformers used in vintage audio circuits. High ratio transformers have a sound. An 1176 uses 1:1 transformer ratios, which don't tend to have much difference in apple to apple comparisons. They are the simplest type to wind, without a lot of wire turns or complications in the way they are made. Other parts differences can indeed make bigger impressions. Now, if you compare a UTC A-20 to a WE 111-C to a Jensen 1:1, you will hear differences, but that's also not what we are talking about in regards to an 1176, it's original UTC transformer, and something like Ed's recreation, or anyone else's version that might fit in a 500 series format. But, if you have the transformers, consider if you can sub them into a 500 module permanently and compare if you can. That makes a lot of sense. Thus the affordable but well regarded Edcor 1:1s as well. |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 4, 2017 15:38:14 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure mike would say that the sound is in the matched high Hfe transistors more than the transformers....
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Post by dandeurloo on Oct 6, 2017 20:07:06 GMT -6
The transformers are part of the sound along with the transistors. There was a lot of testing with each major part to get the sound right.
Many of the standard tx's used in 1176's sound nothing like what a 1176 should sound like. If you use those, you will have to do a lot more work to get them to sound right.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 7, 2017 7:21:49 GMT -6
Dandeurloo had built a few. sounds like part of a verse.
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Post by c0rtland on Oct 7, 2017 20:43:28 GMT -6
The transformers are part of the sound along with the transistors. There was a lot of testing with each major part to get the sound right. Many of the standard tx's used in 1176's sound nothing like what a 1176 should sound like. If you use those, you will have to do a lot more work to get them to sound right. . I'd love for you to elaborate. Are you talking utc 0-12 ua-5002? |
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Post by dandeurloo on Oct 7, 2017 23:17:41 GMT -6
Well, I should say None of the "MODERN standard tx's used in 1176 sound like what a 1176 should sound like". Because of that it took a lot of tweaking to get the tone right.
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